UTG puts in half his stack, your move with 99 ($6.50)

UTG wasn't terrible (25/13 overall, and had opened up at 100/200 blinds). 4-5x BB had been his standard preflop raise.

I have close to zero fold equity here given that UTG put in almost half his stack, right? I don't need to flip for 2/3 of my stack here, do I?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t2775)
BB (t2830)
UTG (t2150)
MP (t1800)
CO (t885)
Hero (t3060)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to t1000, 2 folds, Hero ????

easy fold right?

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

easy fold right?

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That's what I thought, just wanted to check that I wasn't becoming all weak tight.

I read HOH V3 and he reassured me that this is correct.

I dont know what you mean by that you have almost no fold equity, you have, you have 15xbb and first when you have 4xbb you have no fold equity, thats what makes ppl losers in SnGs and I love playing against them because they call with crap in big blind because they read something in a book that is wrong. What is understanded in this topic of fold equity is that you sometimes have to make a move if you wanna get in the money, but not force a move with 15xbb, youre in fine shape, if you lose that pot you will have 1000 chips left and almost in all-in or fold mode because you cant call this you have to put all your chips in and pray, bad move. You always have fold equity even you have 4xbb left, if youre all in the same boat if you know what I mean, I have seen some of those $5000 buy in SnGs that party had earlier and they all had like 4-6xbb left late with 4 ppl left and they still can fold a one up bet because they dont want to force, they want to make it to the money, not calling an all-in with crap just because someone said in a book that you have no fold equity, you have in sertain situations, if youre all even in stacks.

The stacks are:
SB (t2775)
BB (t2830)
UTG (t2150)
MP (t1800)
CO (t885)
Hero (t3060)

Youre almost all even in chips, with blinds 100-200 there should only be a steal from example UTG to make him even with BB and youre even with BB. The only one that that is low stack is CO, but if he shoves all-in and win youre suddenly even with him, so he still has fold equity and anyone who calls his all-in makes a bad play, if they have crap, and even hands like K8.

Calling with 99 would be a bad move.

Today I played a SnG, we were 4 handed and I got 2000 chips with blinds 100-200, starting stacks were 1500 so with 3 others having about 4000 chips I wasnt in good shape but I could still fold and pick my spots. Button made a position bet of 500, he had made this bet 2 times earlier so I didnt think he had something big, SB calls his bet for 400 chips more, I find myself in BB with 99, I had to make a desicion, I could call but more than 50% of the time I will see an overcard and I can then not play my hand if my intension isnt to steal that pot, in the risk of getting called and being pot commited, so I desided to shove all-in, I wouldnt say its bad play here, we got a position raise and a weak caller in SB, with 2000 chips I can still make them fold because they will change to be low stack if they call and lose. I shoved all-in and the button was weak and folded, SB called with A5 of hearts and I won the pot.

UTG being a 25/13, I think a fold is pretty easy here. If he raises 15%, 6-handed, you are a slight favorite at 50.5%. If he raises a 10% range (what my range would be), you drop to 47.5%. It really is a true coin-flip situation, as there is not much hope of opponents hands containing cards lower than a 9. Not a spot I want to put most of my stack on.

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Originally Posted by Xanadu

UTG being a 25/13, I think a fold is pretty easy here. If he raises 15%, 6-handed, you are a slight favorite at 50.5%. If he raises a 10% range (what my range would be), you drop to 47.5%. It really is a true coin-flip situation, as there is not much hope of opponents hands containing cards lower than a 9. Not a spot I want to put most of my stack on.

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What the hell of a program do you use to get all those numbers? Dont ppl use reads to deside if they want to call or fold anymore, you would never call a person that have folded 20 hands in a row without a monster and I dont think a program can tell that its a fold or call.
I never put all my chips in the middle of the table in a tourney unless in in bad shape or I know im a big favorite, like I was in my all in, I was 65% to win against his A5s. Its actually also better to steal your way to the money than coinflip your way to the money when 4 handed.

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Originally Posted by Xanadu

UTG being a 25/13, I think a fold is pretty easy here. If he raises 15%, 6-handed, you are a slight favorite at 50.5%. If he raises a 10% range (what my range would be), you drop to 47.5%. It really is a true coin-flip situation, as there is not much hope of opponents hands containing cards lower than a 9. Not a spot I want to put most of my stack on.

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What the hell of a program do you use to get all those numbers? Dont ppl use reads to deside if they want to call or fold anymore, you would never call a person that have folded 20 hands in a row without a monster and I dont think a program can tell that its a fold or call.
I never put all my chips in the middle of the table in a tourney unless in in bad shape or I know im a big favorite, like I was in my all in, I was 65% to win against his A5s. Its actually also better to steal your way to the money than coinflip your way to the money when 4 handed.

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I used pokerstove, and yes, people do use reads. But you have to know what your reads mean mathematically to your chip stack to know if a call is good or not. The #s are useless without the reads. I was using the read given to put the player on a fairly tight range of hands. That's really all a read is ... the likely hand range of the opponent. And the numbers say that even for a fairly loose range for a 25/13 UTG, It's going to be a coin-flip and you should fold. To play optimally, you have to have reads and know the math (and with the help of the programs out there today, you don't have to do much more math than calculate the pot odds).

This question, clearly is all about stacksizes (which has a tremendous impact on $EV). I think you should just put your opponent on a hand range, and assume he moved allin (rather than this raise). I agree there's no fold equity, so this makes the most sense. I'm pretty sure calling here is likely -EV.

I should add, even though villain has a 13% PFR (and 25% vpip is a donkey), he is raising from UTG. I'd say the worst hand he has here is ATs or 44 (If he were slightly tighter, I would have said AJs and 66). I would shove AK/JJ+ here and that's it.

Edit: I should add that there are situations depending on stacksizes and/or length of time remaining at current level where I should still shove here. Being the chip leader, this is not one of those cases.