Blind fight vs dead money

My opponent is a little loose and kinda bad, a bit on the passive side.

How'd I do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($30.10)
MP ($30.70)
Button ($43.70)
SB ($60.50)
Fnord ($107.45)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif.
3 folds, SB completes, Fnord raises to $3, SB calls $2.

Flop: ($6) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8d.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $4, SB raises to $8, Fnord calls $4.

Turn: ($22) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7h.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $15, SB calls $15.

River: ($52) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2h.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks.

Final Pot: $52

semi-hijack: how often do you guys find that this kind of min-checkraise is a draw?

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

semi-hijack: how often do you guys find that this kind of min-checkraise is a draw?

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Originally Posted by Fnord

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB

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Never. But I suspect that's a good play you see in high stakes.

check min raising with a draw makes no sense. no FE and you have the worst hand. The value is where?

hand seems standard to me.

i bet like 15-20 on river for value. i dont think he is beating us much and he wont fold a jack for that much.

I see people do this with draws at a decent rate at 100NL. they do it to try to get a free turn card. I think its also done with hands, probably a good majority of the time.

hands seems standard to me too.

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Originally Posted by gabe

i bet like 15-20 on river for value. i dont think he is beating us much and he wont fold a jack for that much.

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$36 behind, BTW.

bet the river.
you think he has a queen here or maybe just a jack?

I think you played it fine, I cant see him calling another bet with a second best hand on the river so I dont see much value in betting because I dont think you make a better hand fold either (maybe KQ).

Seems fine.

River value bet is a little thin, but I'd probably bet smallish like $15 and hope KJ calls.

i'd probably bet 10 or less. A really small value bet that he's almost forced to call, and allows us to get away if he pushes, or if he calls and has us beat, no big deal.

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Originally Posted by LeFou

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

semi-hijack: how often do you guys find that this kind of min-checkraise is a draw?

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Originally Posted by Fnord

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB

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Never. But I suspect that's a good play you see in high stakes.

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It's just that seen a few guys do this with flush draws lately. I think the idea is to try to get your opponent to check behind on the turn in fear of another checkraise.

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

It's just that seen a few guys do this with flush draws lately. I think the idea is to try to get your opponent to check behind on the turn in fear of another checkraise.

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Yeah... sounds like it could work as a confusion play.

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

check min raising with a draw makes no sense. no FE. and you have the worst hand. The value is where?

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On a guess: in a draw-versus-draw situation you can buy the pot on a blank turn?

I don't use this play, but apparently some ppl do and I wonder why...

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

check min raising with a draw makes no sense. no FE and you have the worst hand. The value is where?

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gaining betting iniative and deception

J9 no g00t, I think I missed a river bet.

Jd9d? If not you have to love the min check raise on the flop :D

All you can eat baby! I think I'm good here and I want all of his money. I'm sure someone will make the case that worse hands won't call, but we all know better then that.

FOR THE MOST PART, if he had KQ or better, we'd have heard from him by now...

Bet river. Check is cool too though.

You guys are being results orientated

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Originally Posted by arkana

You guys are being results orientated

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There is no results!!?

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Originally Posted by Irisheyes

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Originally Posted by arkana

You guys are being results orientated

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There is no results!!?

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Originally Posted by Fnord

J9 no g00t, I think I missed a river bet.

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lol clearly I wasn't being results orientated then.

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Originally Posted by arkana

You guys are being results orientated

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Complete/call, c/min-r, c/c, check...

isn't a line that has me convinced that I'm beat here. Also, for what it's worth (this time included), I hardly ever read anything more then the first post when I critique a hand history, then once I post, I go through and read the thread and comment on anything I see interesting.

lukie you are missing value if you go for his whole stack, betting half of it is fine

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Originally Posted by gabe

lukie you are missing value if you go for his whole stack, betting half of it is fine

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What if he calls off the rest of it 30% of the time but will only call off half of it 55% of the time?

or what if he folds to a $15 bet 100% of the time and calls a push 100% of the time? what if we make up some more percentages???

My point was that you can't just assume that we are missing out on value by making a strong bet here.

Arguments can be made both ways.