100NL; flopped bottom set 4way, 200BBs deep

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08-14-2006, 03:22 PM
Halv

100NL; flopped bottom set 4way, 200BBs deep

- UTG is 11.8/1.3/2.5 over 75 hands. He once smooth called a raise in position holding KK, made a somewhat weak raise on a T98r flop and checked the hand down when called. His stack was built before I sat down and I haven't seen any showdowns or crazy stuff from him at this table.Likely hands for UTG include limped overpairs, ATd+, 77, TT, possibly some combo draw hands.
- The other two villians are loose and pretty donkish.
- My image is pretty straightforward, aggressive poker.

Whats your move on the flop and your plan for both a diamond and a non-diamond turn?

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($229.40)
Hero ($202.25)
MP1 ($17.00)
MP2 ($7.50)
MP3 ($119.50)
CO ($103.50)
Button ($183.50)
SB ($45.50)
BB ($65.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG bets $10, hero??
08-14-2006, 03:27 PM
bantam222

I would think you have to raise because of the draws out there but I don't play 100NL
08-14-2006, 05:10 PM
Warpe

I like a repop to $40 here. Make the blinds play for their shortstacks if they want to and find out how much UTG likes his hand. Overset's obv. a concern, but he could just as easily be betting the flushdraw/TP. Folding's hard here but I think I could find a grudging one this deep with bottom set if pushed over.
08-14-2006, 05:45 PM
givememyleg

That Old Man can play some poker... I like his line.
08-14-2006, 06:15 PM
Fnord

I just re-pop it to $30. That commits the short stacks and gives you room to play poker against the tall stack. If UTG pushes I cry REALLY loud and let the wookie win.
08-14-2006, 07:41 PM
Halv

Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

That Old Man can play some poker... I like his line.

What?

Anyways, what's our next move?

SB bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG bets $10, Hero bets $30, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $30.

Turn: ($71) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $45, Hero???
08-14-2006, 08:14 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

That Old Man can play some poker... I like his line.

What?

Anyways, what's our next move?

SB bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG bets $10, Hero bets $30, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $30.

Turn: ($71) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $45, Hero???

hero should now be very scared.
I think he may believe you have a combo draw 89d or 68d type thing and knows you wont chase, but whats more importnat i think is how strong his hand is.
ugh, how often you see him limp/raise utg without say AJd or a pp?
Im loking at this and screaming fold but i dont know for sure. This stars game has its donkish points particularly in big bet post-flop poker.
08-14-2006, 08:17 PM
Halv

Does our Hero run away with his hands over his head or does he stand his ground?
08-14-2006, 08:21 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Does our Hero run away with his hands over his head or does he stand his ground?

the guys 11.8, it has to be an overset surely?
08-14-2006, 08:21 PM
Cocco_Bill

some people who like to limp-raise AA from UTG would play it this way. That said, this is a tough spot and I wouldn't hate you for folding.
08-14-2006, 08:29 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

some people who like to limp-raise AA from UTG would play it this way. That said, this is a tough spot and I wouldn't hate you for folding.

it could also be JJ for that matter but then TT would also be the same.

i totally agree on folding not being weak but cautious
08-14-2006, 08:35 PM
Halv

Hero folds. I would hate to stand just as clueless on the river. However, lets rewind to the turn and say villain checks.

Turn: ($71) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero???

Now hero has to make a bet to avoid giving that draw a free card, right? I would think a good villain TT line here is to call flop and c/r turn AI, as it would be hard for him to put me on a draw with my flop play?

Hero bets 40$ and folds to a c/r?
08-14-2006, 08:47 PM
Miffed22001

i go with that line yeah.
08-14-2006, 08:50 PM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

That Old Man can play some poker... I like his line.

What?

Warpe.