25NL, KK facing donk bet and min-raise on rag flop

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08-15-2006, 12:21 PM
swiggidy

25NL, KK facing donk bet and min-raise on rag flop

No good read, just sat down at table.

Yes, 4 callers sucks. I"ll raise more next time.

Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.25 NL (Real Money), #854,976,627
Table Birmingham, 15 Aug 2006 12:04 PM ET
Seat 1: hvladimir ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 2: x niceman ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 3: swiggidy ($21.75 in chips)
Seat 4: litlemag ($29.15 in chips)
Seat 5: isomies ($21.55 in chips)
Seat 6: VSK_ ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Deltahedge ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 8: 1Afura1 ($18.30 in chips)
Seat 9: ori_ ($53.25 in chips)
Seat 10: gaud1337 ($12.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Deltahedge posts blind ($0.15), 1Afura1 posts blind ($0.25).

swig is dealt:
:Ks: :Kd:

PRE-FLOP
1 fold, gaud1337 calls $0.25, 2 fold, swiggidy bets $1, litlemag calls $1, 3 fold, 1Afura1 calls $0.75, gaud1337 calls $0.75.

FLOP [board cards :2h:,:6s:,:Td: ] (pot $4)
1Afura1 bets $0.50, 1 fold, swiggidy bets $3, 1 fold, 1Afura1 bets $5, swiggidy calls $2.50.

TURN [board cards :2h:,:6s:,:Td:,:8d: ] (pot $14)
1Afura1 bets $2, swiggidy ...

Flop call is standard? Do you push the turn, or just call?
08-15-2006, 12:38 PM
martindcx1e

look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.
08-15-2006, 12:40 PM
Miffed22001

what do you know about him?
he either has you crushed or is overplaying some one pair hand like AT or JJ.
08-15-2006, 12:45 PM
Fnord

Raise, your hand is good here almost always.
08-15-2006, 12:45 PM
swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

what do you know about him?
he either has you crushed or is overplaying some one pair hand like AT or JJ.

All I know is he had been dealt 10 hands with nothing out of the ordinary
08-15-2006, 12:47 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

what do you know about him?
he either has you crushed or is overplaying some one pair hand like AT or JJ.

All I know is he had been dealt 10 hands with nothing out of the ordinary

id prob fold the flop then
08-15-2006, 12:47 PM
Halv

On the flop you asked him what his weak lead on that dry board meant, he told you it meant he likes his hand. No need to ask him again on the turn.

You're either way ahead against QQ-JJ or way behind against a set. He only has to have QQ-JJ a small percentage of the time to make a turn call profitable on implied odds, as you will definitely take his stack if you hit your 2-outer on the river.

Call turn, call reasonable river bet.

Edit: lots of posts snuck in in between.
08-15-2006, 03:33 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fnord

Raise, your hand is good here almost always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

id prob fold the flop then

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Call turn, call reasonable river bet.

aren't you glad you asked?
08-15-2006, 03:49 PM
Werddown

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

id prob fold the flop then

Wow
for $2.50 more in a $12 pot with an overpair to the board?

this is $25 nl
08-15-2006, 03:55 PM
givememyleg

People at 25nl don't donk 3bet without a strong hand.
08-15-2006, 03:56 PM
givememyleg

Plus, it's not like it's a river bet and you're getting 5:1 on your call to stop the action... it's on the flop and you're going to have to call more bets until the river.

I probably do call however, and call down until the river.
08-15-2006, 04:09 PM
swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.

My thought

Quote:

Originally Posted by fnord

Raise, your hand is good here almost always.

Fnord is right, I'm not sure why you think this though

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

id prob fold the flop then

Eww

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Call turn, call reasonable river bet.

2 out of 4, not bad

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

aren't you glad you asked?

lol

River, K (Horay), he checks, I put him in, he calls with JJ
08-15-2006, 04:16 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

look for cheap showdown. villain isn't drawing here most times.

My thought

Quote:

Originally Posted by fnord

Raise, your hand is good here almost always.

Fnord is right, I'm not sure why you think this though

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

id prob fold the flop then

Eww

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Call turn, call reasonable river bet.

2 out of 4, not bad

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

aren't you glad you asked?

lol

River, K (Horay), he checks, I put him in, he calls with JJ

we showed strength and he 3bet us.

That normally means a one pair hand is no good. By all means against the right player you shove kk here, that i agree with.
But as a general play, the minbet 3bet a raise = monster.
08-15-2006, 04:47 PM
swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

we showed strength and he 3bet us.

That normally means a one pair hand is no good. By all means against the right player you shove kk here, that i agree with.
But as a general play, the minbet 3bet a raise = monster.

I agree with this.

I guess I see your point, against the right opponent it would be an easy flop fold. In this case, at this point of my poker career I'm not capable of that.

I don't think I ever fold to the turn bet.
08-15-2006, 05:36 PM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

I don't think I ever fold to the turn bet.

Me neither. If he will let you showdown cheaply, by all means, do just that.
08-15-2006, 06:25 PM
TerryToma

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

River, K (Horay), he checks, I put him in, he calls with JJ

Wow, makes sense. I was putting him on 2pr/set. I couldnt find any draws. I was gonna say try and show down cheap prior to reading this. His 1bb bet/min raise made me think he really liked his hand. I forgot how much donks love their overpairs. Thanks for posting this.

.toma