Advice on how not to suck kthx
Someone yell at me/give helpful comments.
Hand 1: Had folded like 3 consecutive orbits so felt like playing something, even if just to see a flop. Villain had regularly been chasing draws to the river and showing down unsuited broadways. Was 31/14/0.9
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($5.04)
UTG ($21.27)
UTG+1 ($42.35)
UTG+2 ($33.95)
MP1 ($28.80)
MP2 ($25.40)
MP3 ($24.05)
Hero ($23.65)
Button ($11.93)
SB ($3.85)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.50.
Flop: ($3.35) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.5, UTG calls $2.50, MP2 folds.
Turn: ($8.35) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, UTG calls $6.
River: ($20.35) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG calls $11.77 (All-In), Hero calls $11.77.
Final Pot: $43.89
Hand 2: Villain had been showing down TPGK for the last half hour. Forget HUD stats.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP3 ($51.34)
CO ($11.25)
Hero ($27.20)
SB ($19.80)
BB ($25)
UTG ($24.74)
UTG+1 ($25.67)
MP1 ($19.05)
MP2 ($9.14)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.25.
Flop: ($3.60) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $6, Hero raises to $15, UTG+1 raises to $24, Hero calls $10.70 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $0.17 (All-In).
Turn: ($53.47) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($53.47) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: $53.47
Hand 3: Standard?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($11.20)
MP2 ($22.75)
MP3 ($20.90)
CO ($46.82)
Button ($44.02)
SB ($10.52)
Hero ($24.50)
UTG ($9.65)
UTG+1 ($26.99)
UTG+2 ($5.31)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 6 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($0.75) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50, SB folds.
Turn: ($1.75) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG+1 raises to $3, Hero calls $2.
River: ($7.75) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $10.75
Re: Advice on how not to suck kthx
Quote:
Originally Posted by takesix
Someone yell at me/give helpful comments.
Hand 1: Had folded like 3 consecutive orbits so felt like playing something, even if just to see a flop. Villain had regularly been chasing draws to the river and showing down unsuited broadways. Was 31/14/0.9
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($5.04)
UTG ($21.27)
UTG+1 ($42.35)
UTG+2 ($33.95)
MP1 ($28.80)
MP2 ($25.40)
MP3 ($24.05)
Hero ($23.65)
Button ($11.93)
SB ($3.85)
Preflop: Hero is CO with T
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25,
3 folds,
MP2 raises to $0.5,
1 fold,
Hero raises to $1,
3 folds, UTG calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.50.
Flop: ($3.35) 3
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks,
Hero bets $2.5, UTG calls $2.50, MP2 folds.
Turn: ($8.35) 8
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets $6, UTG calls $6.
River: ($20.35) 4
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG calls $11.77 (All-In), Hero calls $11.77.
Final Pot: $43.89
Hand 2: Villain had been showing down TPGK for the last half hour. Forget HUD stats.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP3 ($51.34)
CO ($11.25)
Hero ($27.20)
SB ($19.80)
BB ($25)
UTG ($24.74)
UTG+1 ($25.67)
MP1 ($19.05)
MP2 ($9.14)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, K
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25,
4 folds,
Hero raises to $1.5,
2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.25.
Flop: ($3.60) 3
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, K
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks,
Hero bets $3,
UTG+1 raises to $6,
Hero raises to $15,
UTG+1 raises to $24, Hero calls $10.70 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $0.17 (All-In).
Turn: ($53.47) T
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($53.47) Q
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: $53.47
Hand 3: Standard?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($11.20)
MP2 ($22.75)
MP3 ($20.90)
CO ($46.82)
Button ($44.02)
SB ($10.52)
Hero ($24.50)
UTG ($9.65)
UTG+1 ($26.99)
UTG+2 ($5.31)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25,
6 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($0.75) T
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks,
Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50, SB folds.
Turn: ($1.75) Q
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1,
UTG+1 raises to $3, Hero calls $2.
River: ($7.75) Q
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks,
UTG+1 bets $3, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $10.75
Hand #1 - Fold the river. Maybe pick a better hand to get frisky with?
Hand #2 - OK so he's shown down TPGK...did he play those hands like this one? I'm guessing probably not so don't go broke here.
Hand #3 - Fine.
Re: Advice on how not to suck kthx
Quote:
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Hand #1 - Fold the river. Maybe pick a better hand to get frisky with?
Hand #2 - OK so he's shown down TPGK...did he play those hands like this one? I'm guessing probably not so don't go broke here.
Hand #3 - Fine.
Hand #1: Villain had 33. Duh. Stupid stupid stupid. Second/third/whatever level thinking at 25NL is -ev sometimes.
Hand #2: Actually showed down KQo for the suckout. I could have flatcalled his minraise and then pushed the turn repping the flush, but does that really matter considering I gave off such strength on the flop? I think I get taken to SD no matter what.
Hand #3: Shows 75o. Haw.
Re: Advice on how not to suck kthx
Quote:
Originally Posted by takesix
Hand 1: Had folded like 3 consecutive orbits so felt like playing something, even if just to see a flop, but really had no idea what to do with a hand like T9o if I hit top pair against a preflop reraiser, and a preflop overcaller. I should have instantly put the UTG overcaller on a small pocket pair. I should have looked to hit a weird straight, so I could drain someone. Once I bet top pair on a raggy board into an overcaller, and they hang around, it's time to hit the breaks. I should seriously consider pot control unless my hand improves. If UTG offers too much action, I will fold. Instead I got tricky, and played terrible after the flop. I need to learn how to play implied hands after the flop before trying this again.
Re: Advice on how not to suck kthx
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rondavu
Quote:
Originally Posted by takesix
Hand 1: Had folded like 3 consecutive orbits so felt like playing something, even if just to see a flop, but really had no idea what to do with a hand like T9o if I hit top pair against a preflop reraiser, and a preflop overcaller. I should have instantly put the UTG overcaller on a small pocket pair. I should have looked to hit a weird straight, so I could drain someone. Once I bet top pair on a raggy board into an overcaller, and they hang around, it's time to hit the breaks. I should seriously consider pot control unless my hand improves. If UTG offers too much action, I will fold. Instead I got tricky, and played terrible after the flop. I need to learn that while many hands hold implied odds, and if they hit they can be great, TPWK is not one of them. I know much better than this, and spewing like an over-aggro donkey is not the key to being a winning player.
See above.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+2 ($8.05)
MP1 ($6.35)
MP2 ($19.65)
MP3 ($32)
CO ($36.65)
Button ($4.50)
SB ($24.65)
BB ($28.86)
Hero ($23.75)
UTG+1 ($24.75)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 raises to $2.25, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.50, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds.
Flop: ($6.35) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.
Turn: ($14.35) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP2 calls $13.40 (All-In), Hero calls $8.40.
River: ($41.15) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $41.15
Results in white below:
Hero has 9s Ts (straight, queen high).
MP2 has Ac As (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $41.15.
:o
Re: Advice on how not to suck kthx
Quote:
Originally Posted by takesix
Raise here all day long. So many turn cards have potential to kill your action, while the villain is very willing to destack on the flop. Knowing when to build the pot committment has to do with the pinnacle of villains confidence and/or desperation to "protect". When confidence is highest on the flop, build your pot right there.
Re: Advice on how not to suck kthx
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rondavu
Raise here all day long. So many turn cards have potential to kill your action, while the villain is very willing to destack on the flop. Knowing when to build the pot committment has to do with the pinnacle of villains confidence and/or desperation to "protect". When confidence is highest on the flop, build your pot right there.
I remember this hand really well, it's from about a month ago. Villain was basically making fun of all the fish, calling them donks, trying to lecture about pot odds, laughing when they called PF with xxs (cards unimportant) and just generally telling everyone how smart he was. I raised UTG with 109s because eh, I felt like it (is that an actual reason? whatever), and when he 3bet it, I felt like he had to have KK or AA, and with that flop it would take runners for him to beat me so I felt safe check/calling and betting when the 3rd diamond hit -- I KNEW I was ahead and he'd stack off soon anyway.
Funny thing was he freaked out when he lost, yelling at me, and I said "implied odds" which made him go more ballistic.
Though I do appreciate what you're trying to impart -- it's more advanced concepts like that I'm having a lot of trouble with.
