100NL PF Situation

Villain is relatively new to table, haven't seen him in any big pots or
get out of line at all.

***** Hand History for Game 4969946412 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 17, 21:24:42 ET 2006
Table Fishsticks (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: izzydoyle ( $283.75 )
Seat 6: muaji ( $126 )
Seat 1: AATrain01 ( $129.47 )
Seat 3: nrkmr ( $151.25 )
Seat 4: MonsterDonky ( $88 )
Seat 5: SootedNines ( $99.50 )
muaji posts small blind [$0.50].
AATrain01 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ Kh Ac ]
izzydoyle folds.
>You have options at Monster #1290973 Table!.
nrkmr raises [$3].
MonsterDonky folds.
SootedNines raises [$11].
muaji folds.

AATrain01 ???????

Whats the right play? Is folding here too weak-tight??
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fold is fine without a read

I think it was a little suspicious that Villian raised it up all the way to $11, I might have the tendency to flat call this and put some pressure on him post flop. He's not betting this amount because he wants to be called it would seem? Folding would be fine I reckon, reraising is definitely not an option.

mm i fold.

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Originally Posted by MikeJee

He's not betting this amount because he wants to be called it would seem?

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Don't use this reasoning. It will get you in way more trouble than it saves you from.

So you thought the opposite of me pretty much? He's basically making an overbet as a means of inducing a call instead of a fold in this hand? (pretending to make a steal bet when he actually has a great hand that he wants to be called on)

That's cool to disagree, I don't have a problem with that, give me your take on this hand.

Man I hate that...when someone critiques one of the responses but doesn't even touch the initial qustion. Offer up some knowledge, that's what this is all about no?

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Originally Posted by MikeJee

So you thought the opposite of me pretty much? He's basically making an overbet as a means of inducing a call instead of a fold in this hand? (pretending to make a steal bet when he actually has a great hand that he wants to be called on)

That's cool to disagree, I don't have a problem with that, give me your take on this hand.

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It isn't an overbet, it's pretty much a pot-sized raise. Big raises and bets don't nessicarilly mean weak hands at all, especially from good players. It's just a means of getting more money into the pot when they suspect their opponent has a strong hand themselves. You can also do it to maximize fold equity, but it's done all the time with big hands as well so you really can't look too much into it.

If this was 2/4+ and the reraiser 3bets often preflop I would certainly 4bet with AK here and call a push. However most players at 100nl aren't reraising light, so AK goes into the muck here without a read. Flat calling is a decent alternative. At a higher stake I'm more likely to 4bet since I know what players are capable of.

Now that's a good reply!!! Great post man. Thank you.

Without a read I fold this, against a tight raiser I fold this everytime. People at these stakes generally dont 3bet enough without AK/AA/KK/QQ, so unless you are up against someone who 3-bets light, you are very often in trouble when reraised with AKo.

I had *exactly* this situation last night at $100NL with JJ rather than AK - raised to $3, MP re-raises to $11. I was HJ and pushed with almost a full stack.

(NB this story doesn't have a happy ending - the original raiser had KK and stacked me, though the re-raiser folded)

(Sigh it wasn't the same at all cos it was at full ring. Sorry for being a dick.)