semibluff

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08-20-2006, 12:28 AM
Werddown

semibluff

He's 84/18/4.0 after 40 hands and he plays every pot that I play, and attempts to take it down each time.

***** Hand History for Game 4985822606 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 20, 00:24:53 ET 2006
Table Table 107917 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: DRZIMO ( $18.45 )
Seat 3: Melvinivitch ( $25 )
Seat 6: ritsypoker ( $62.05 )
Seat 5: werddown ( $32.15 )
Seat 1: yy1976 ( $22.85 )
Seat 4: pancake13 ( $29.70 )
yy1976 posts small blind [$0.10].
DRZIMO posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to werddown [ 9h Th ]
Melvinivitch folds.
pancake13 folds.
werddown raises [$1].
>You have options at Table 108161 Table!.
ritsypoker raises [$3].
yy1976 folds.
DRZIMO folds.
>You have options at Table 108149 Table!.
werddown calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Jh, 8s ]
werddown checks.
ritsypoker bets [$3].
werddown is all-In [$29.15]
ritsypoker calls [$26.15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
ritsypoker shows [ Qd, Ks ] high card ace.
werddown doesn't show [ 9h, Th ] high card ace.
ritsypoker wins $61.65 from the main pot with high card ace with king kicker.
08-20-2006, 12:33 AM
fjuanl

i think he would believe you for a hand if you check/raised to 9 and then put the rest in on the turn. your too deep to be check/pushing
08-20-2006, 12:35 AM
bantam222

I don't know how much I like raising suited connectors from EP, or calling a raise OOP.

Post flop I like it.
08-20-2006, 12:39 AM
MikeJee

I can't say I like anything in this hand, even the implied odds aren't there long term, correct? Anyone?
08-20-2006, 12:45 AM
Werddown

Quote:

Originally Posted by bantam222

I don't know how much I like raising suited connectors from EP, or calling a raise OOP.

Post flop I like it.

I wasnt ep i was cutoff. I had also been raising alot from late position.

i called the re-raise because he plays back at me every time i make a bet (literally) and i was looking to flop something like this. I was 100% certain that he would bet any flop if I checked to him.

im really not sure what I should have done on the flop so i just pushed. there was $9 in the pot already and I was happy with that...
08-20-2006, 12:51 AM
givememyleg

The worst thing about this hand is ops call.....

I really don't think raising T9s from the co is a bad raise at all.. You say he plays a lot of pots with you, but does he always re-raise them? I really don't mind calling here with T9s and if his re-raise range is small than I like the call even more.

You flop a huge monster draw so getting allin on this flop can't be bad, but your c/r is way too much of an overbet. Like I said earlier his call was hideous and you were a 60/40 favorite.

I really don't think this hand was played as poorly as some of the replies.
08-20-2006, 12:54 AM
Werddown

Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

but does he always re-raise them?

No. I think this was the first time he re-raised me preflop. Every other time he just called my PFR, and played back at me on the flop or turn.

I was also 100% certain that if he had an overpair or flopped top pair, he was playing for all my chips.
08-20-2006, 01:05 AM
MikeJee

What about my odds question.....That's why I felt this was a bad push, he's basically getting even money on a 4:1 play. Major -EV long-term correct?
08-20-2006, 01:19 AM
DaHorror

Looks good against this player...I guess the results of this hand illustrate why the mentally handicapped continue to play.
08-20-2006, 01:25 AM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

What about my odds question.....That's why I felt this was a bad push, he's basically getting even money on a 4:1 play. Major -EV long-term correct?

You mean calling the preflop re-raise? I'm not really sure to be honest, I'm no good at implied odds... but Hero does have around 140 bbs and villian covers, so they are pretty deep. But, considering we now know his re-raising range includes hands like QKo, I don't like the call. Villian can't really fold a hand though...

It isn't quite even money, tThe pot was ~$9 and werd made it $30 to go, making the call $26 in a $39 pot.. so it's around 1.5:1. But I really don't understand what you mean about the 4:1 play.. please explain.
08-20-2006, 02:04 AM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

What about my odds question.....That's why I felt this was a bad push, he's basically getting even money on a 4:1 play. Major -EV long-term correct?

Nope. With an OESD + FD he's a favourite to win against villain's holding.

990 games 0.030 secs 33,000 games/sec

Board: Ah Jh 8s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 59.0909 % 58.79% 00.30% { Th9h }
Hand 2: 40.9091 % 40.61% 00.30% { KsQd }
08-20-2006, 02:32 AM
MikeJee

Well, I sorta meant going into this blind.....putting the villian on a definite Ax. I do understand what you're saying, thank you.

The 4:1 came from only hitting the flush beating this guy. No biggie, tnx.
08-20-2006, 02:53 AM
freechus9

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Well, I sorta meant going into this blind.....putting the villian on a definite Ax. I do understand what you're saying, thank you.

The 4:1 came from only hitting the flush beating this guy. No biggie, tnx.

If he likes to steal pots a lot, then there's a high chance, almost certain, that if hero's draw hits the pot can be won. Most of opp's range is probably in the 1-pair/high card area, so we can safely push knowing that the move is most probably +EV.
08-20-2006, 03:11 AM
MikeJee

Right, but if he does have a pair of aces or jacks which I'm giving him credit for in this example only because it's so possible to have either card, not going by "reads", only the flush will beat that since pairing a ten or nine doesn't help. If he doesn't hit the flush he loses, and he lost. So basically if you give him credit for having an ace or a jack this can't be a smart move odds-wise. Do you get where I'm coming from?
08-20-2006, 03:15 AM
freechus9

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Right, but if he does have a pair of aces or jacks which I'm giving him credit for in this example only because it's so possible to have either card, not going by "reads", only the flush will beat that since pairing a ten or nine doesn't help. If he doesn't hit the flush he loses, and he lost. So basically if you give him credit for having an ace or a jack this can't be a smart move odds-wise. Do you get where I'm coming from?

Buddy, he has a straight draw as well. That's 15 outs. Do you get where we're coming from?
08-20-2006, 03:24 AM
MikeJee

Whoops, sorry dickhead, I did miss that part of the layout. I'm trying to learn, and you snobs at FTR can't help but be cocks day after day and try to embarass the average folk . Seriously, fuck off, once again I leave this forum with a bitter taste in my mouth. The age range here is clearly 18-21 since adults arn't this fucking rude like you're forcing me to be right now.

:lol:
08-20-2006, 03:25 AM
freechus9

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Whoops, sorry dickhead, I did miss that part of the layout. I'm trying to learn, and you snobs at FTR can't help but be cocks day after day and try to embarass the average folk . Seriously, fuck off, once again I leave this forum with a bitter taste in my mouth. The age range here is clearly 18-21 since adults arn't this fucking rude like you're forcing me to be right now.

:lol:

Do you go on tilt a lot? Seems like it. :roll:
08-20-2006, 06:14 AM
Pelion

Semibluffs work because they have fold equity. You clearly have none against this guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHorror

Looks good against this player...

I think its pretty horrible. Youre reducing a clear +EV situation to a coinflip.

Why get it in with a coinflip when he'll call the push when you actually make your hand. I call him to the river where I can fold unimproved or push with a straight or flush. This way you take his stack those times you make your hand and you only lose around $6-$10 when you dont.
08-20-2006, 04:03 PM
BobbySalami

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Whoops, sorry dickhead, I did miss that part of the layout. I'm trying to learn, and you snobs at FTR can't help but be cocks day after day and try to embarass the average folk . Seriously, fuck off, once again I leave this forum with a bitter taste in my mouth. The age range here is clearly 18-21 since adults arn't this fucking rude like you're forcing me to be right now.

:lol:

this was truly funny, to bad it wasnt meant to be.
08-20-2006, 04:13 PM
sandstorm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Whoops, sorry dickhead, I did miss that part of the layout. I'm trying to learn, and you snobs at FTR can't help but be cocks day after day and try to embarass the average folk . Seriously, fuck off, once again I leave this forum with a bitter taste in my mouth. The age range here is clearly 18-21 since adults arn't this fucking rude like you're forcing me to be right now.

:lol:

bye
08-20-2006, 06:32 PM
nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Whoops, sorry dickhead, I did miss that part of the layout. I'm trying to learn, and you snobs at FTR can't help but be cocks day after day and try to embarass the average folk . Seriously, fuck off, once again I leave this forum with a bitter taste in my mouth. The age range here is clearly 18-21 since adults arn't this fucking rude like you're forcing me to be right now.

:lol:

ROFL
bye
08-20-2006, 07:28 PM
Beck

Quote:

Originally Posted by freechus9

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeJee

Right, but if he does have a pair of aces or jacks which I'm giving him credit for in this example only because it's so possible to have either card, not going by "reads", only the flush will beat that since pairing a ten or nine doesn't help. If he doesn't hit the flush he loses, and he lost. So basically if you give him credit for having an ace or a jack this can't be a smart move odds-wise. Do you get where I'm coming from?

Buddy, he has a straight draw as well. That's 15 outs. Do you get where we're coming from?

I don't think that was rude. it wasn't pleasant, but definitely not rude