TPTK at very loose table.

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08-25-2006, 01:06 PM
Warpe

TPTK at very loose table.

UTG is 53/16, MP is 57/11. Normally, I wouldn't do this with only TPTK, but given previous hands I thought the shove was worth a shot. Thoughts? (I have this session on video)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($72.20)
MP ($483.59)
CO ($206.05)
Button ($197)
Hero ($331.25)
BB ($286.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $11, 1 fold, UTG calls $8, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($38) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($38) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $25, UTG calls $60.20 (All-In), MP calls $60.20, Hero calls $294.25 (All-In), MP calls $259.05.

River: ($736.70) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $736.70

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Ac Kd (one pair, aces).
UTG has Kh 7h (high card, ace).
MP has 2h Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $736.70. [/color
08-25-2006, 01:15 PM
Robert

Normally I would be very worried about MP calling UTGs allin raise, but given your read that tells us that they are both fish, I think a shove here is correct (to punish MP's flush draws and weaker aces). Btw, raise much more preflop (I make it around $15-16 to go), you want the pot HU with AK, not multiway
08-25-2006, 01:30 PM
Fnord

:heart: Warpe's table selection skills.

I like every street.
08-25-2006, 03:10 PM
gabe

i would raise this alot more preflop knowing they are calling with worse hands
08-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

i would raise this alot more preflop knowing they are calling with worse hands

There is balance here. On the other hand you don't want to blow them off their hands pre-flop and want to give yourself room to out-play them post-flop.
08-25-2006, 04:29 PM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

i would raise this alot more preflop knowing they are calling with worse hands

There is balance here. On the other hand you don't want to blow them off their hands pre-flop and want to give yourself room to out-play them post-flop.

UTG was typically raising 6X-7XBB preflop, then throwing in these preflop minraises every once in a while, so the market might've borne $16. I was usually raising 4XBB and reraising 3X the bet, so much more than that and I'm tipping/repping more than I want to, I think.

When players are raising that much preflop, do you adapt to their (higher) standard or just stick to your usual range?
08-25-2006, 04:33 PM
drtofu66

Re: TPTK at very loose table.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpe

(I have this session on video)

Can we convince you to get it archived in the Poker Videos section?
08-25-2006, 04:43 PM
samsonite2100

Raise $18-ish PF. Raising $11 is an invitation for multiple 57/11 fishies to come along for the ride, and you def. want to be isolating here.
Otherwise, nice hand.
08-25-2006, 05:26 PM
Warpe

Re: TPTK at very loose table.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drtofu66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpe

(I have this session on video)

Can we convince you to get it archived in the Poker Videos section?

There's some audio synch problems with it and I'm not sure how instructional it is but, yeah, I can upload it if people are interested.
08-25-2006, 07:09 PM
drtofu66

Re: TPTK at very loose table.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpe

There's some audio synch problems with it and I'm not sure how instructional it is but, yeah, I can upload it if people are interested.

It's always instructional to look over the shoulder of a solid winning player IMHO.

C'mon fellow noobs! Speak up! Get a hand in and convince Warpe to upload it!
08-29-2006, 08:55 AM
liebs

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsonite2100

57/11 fishies
Otherwise, nice hand.

I'd be grateful for an explanation of 57/11?
is this a stat form Poker-tracker?
If so, could you explain its meaning. I use Poker Office and would like to become familiar with this concept.

Thanks
08-29-2006, 09:20 AM
Silly String

Yes, it is a pokertracker stat. 57/11 means the opponent is:
57% V$IP (Voluntary put Money in pot)
11% PFR (Pre Flop Raise)