Boring Extraction Line Hand

So if you put villain on a high pp here what is the best extraction line?

25NL

Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.30
Hero: $23.85
MP1: $28.35
MP2: $24.00
MP3: $3.85
CO: $24.50
Button: $13.60
SB: $31.10
BB: $25.00

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/5h.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/5s.png
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.75, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/6d.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/3s.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/4c.png ($8.4, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/7s.png ($8.4, 3 players)
BB bets $5, Hero ?

I'd call the turn and raise the river. I'd have bet the flop though esp. if you think he has a big pair. Why in the world would you check?

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

I'd call the turn and raise the river. I'd have bet the flop though esp. if you think he has a big pair. Why in the world would you check?

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ya i guess a flop bet would be good here

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

I'd call the turn and raise the river. I'd have bet the flop though esp. if you think he has a big pair. Why in the world would you check?

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ya i guess a flop bet would be good here

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n/m I'm an idiot. I thought you had 44, I read bad. Sorry.

At fr $25 isn't raising pf here kind of bad? You fold out hands people otherwise would play badly postflop and when you get reraised it gets into variance and makes this a more breakeven play. I'm not criticizing, I'm curious what you think.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

I'd call the turn and raise the river. I'd have bet the flop though esp. if you think he has a big pair. Why in the world would you check?

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ya i guess a flop bet would be good here

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n/m I'm an idiot. I thought you had 44, I read bad. Sorry.

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i can see a case for betting/not betting with my hand though

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

At fr $25 isn't raising pf here kind of bad? You fold out hands people otherwise would play badly postflop and when you get reraised it gets into variance and makes this a more breakeven play. I'm not criticizing, I'm curious what you think.

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players are bad so they call too much pre-flop. it builds the pot for when i hit and vs. multiple people the pots can get big. if i'm in position i can see a free turn and hope to hit. also they have no idea i have a set when i hit usually. after a re-raise...that's about as much as i call in the hand in question only if vs. a full stack. i fold to lots of re-raises though that are higher or from smaller stacks.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

At fr $25 isn't raising pf here kind of bad? You fold out hands people otherwise would play badly postflop and when you get reraised it gets into variance and makes this a more breakeven play. I'm not criticizing, I'm curious what you think.

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i raise all pp's at $25nl. this has helped my game more than anything. this raises up your pfr quite a bit, and disguises your hands better. not only do my sets get paid off more now, but also my premium hands get more action.

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Originally Posted by Bode-ist

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

At fr $25 isn't raising pf here kind of bad? You fold out hands people otherwise would play badly postflop and when you get reraised it gets into variance and makes this a more breakeven play. I'm not criticizing, I'm curious what you think.

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i raise all pp's at $25nl. this has helped my game more than anything. this raises up your pfr quite a bit, and disguises your hands better. not only do my sets get paid off more now, but also my premium hands get more action.

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exactly and my image is helped too when people see me raise 5-6BB's and then fold to a re-raise (not weak folds mind you). my primo's don't get as much respect.

EDIT: It can get kinda frustrating sometimes when I don't hit my sets for a long time, but I expect that to happen so it's alright.

It also turns this (old non-raise version faked but you get the idea):

Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.50 NL (real money), hand #968,238,450
Table Guantanamo, 8 Sep 2006 12:03 AM ET

Seat 1: BigCash26 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Woodster123 ($12.95 in chips)
Seat 4: brianschmutz ($7.95 in chips)
Seat 5: caesarshouse ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 6: neisi555 ($15.00 in chips)
Seat 7: TheHorror1 [ 7C,7H ] ($102.35 in chips)
Seat 8: jackbenimblx ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 10: DujMonster ($17.40 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Woodster123 posts blind ($0.15), brianschmutz posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
caesarshouse calls $0.25, neisi555 calls $0.25, TheHorror1 calls $0.25, jackbenimblx folds, DujMonster calls $0.25, BigCash26 folds, Woodster123 calls $0.10, brianschmutz checks.

FLOP [board cards QD,3S,10C ]
Woodster123 checks, brianschmutz checks, caesarshouse checks, neissi555 checks, TheHorror1 checks, DujMonster bets $1, Woodster123 folds, brianschmutz folds, caesarshouse folds, neissi555 folds, TheHorror1 folds.

SHOWDOWN
DujMonster wins $2.50.


Into this:

Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.50 NL (real money), hand #968,238,450
Table Guantanamo, 8 Sep 2006 12:03 AM ET

Seat 1: BigCash26 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Woodster123 ($12.95 in chips)
Seat 4: brianschmutz ($7.95 in chips)
Seat 5: caesarshouse ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 6: neisi555 ($15.00 in chips)
Seat 7: TheHorror1 [ 7C,7H ] ($102.35 in chips)
Seat 8: jackbenimblx ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 10: DujMonster ($17.40 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Woodster123 posts blind ($0.15), brianschmutz posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
caesarshouse calls $0.25, neisi555 calls $0.25, TheHorror1 bets $1.50, jackbenimblx folds, DujMonster folds, BigCash26 folds, Woodster123 folds, brianschmutz folds, caesarshouse calls $1.25, neisi555 folds.

FLOP [board cards QD,3S,10C ]
caesarshouse checks, TheHorror1 bets $2.50, caesarshouse folds.

SHOWDOWN
TheHorror1 wins $6.15.



Granted, sometimes it turns into something like this, but not often enough that I worry about it, yet (my bad read of a draw by shorty, which it easily could have been and just happened not to be this time - I gambled here too which more often I do not):

PRE-FLOP
_TheHorror_ bets $1, Bad Play calls $1, thornton x calls $1, Laguna101 folds, mooch_911 folds, HomerXXV folds, frexon folds, sirpupnyc folds, vertigor folds, catch16 folds.

FLOP [board cards 8S,3H,7H ]
_TheHorror_ bets $2, Bad Play folds, thornton x bets $7.70 and is all-in, _TheHorror_ calls $5.70.

TURN [board cards 8S,3H,7H,2S ]

RIVER [board cards 8S,3H,7H,2S,9S ]

SHOWDOWN
thornton x shows [ 3D,3C ]
_TheHorror_ shows [ 6H,6D ]
thornton x wins $18.30.

Now I'll give you that it's much more of a tightrope walk than not raising preflop - as you have to pay a lot of attention to who and when to c-bet, but overall it just makes your game a little less transparent (though granted at $25 NL that is not really a problem anyway).

As for the hand in question, I call the reraise preflop and mostly check that flop too, unless I'm wanting to gamble a bit more.

I think I reraise this turn...there's no way he's beating you at the moment, your hand is very hidden and he might push over you drawing dead...if he's got AA he might figure that you think he's bluffing missed overs, etc. And if for whatever reason he has KK here and an Ace (or spade) hits on the river it might slow down your action. And the CO is probably folding now anyway so I don't think it matters that much that we try to get an overcall from him, and he'll have just about odds to call (if you only call) if he happens to be chasing a flush or higher straight (very unlikely anyway).

i pushed (if anyone cares) since a raise would put over 1/2 my remaining stack in & i figured if villain was going to put anymore money into the pot it would be then before any scarier card fell on the river. villain called w/ his KK. hurray overpairs!

Score one for raising pairs first in :)
Nice luckbox you had goin on there and NH bro :)

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Originally Posted by DaHorror

Score one for raising pairs first in :)

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