What's your play?

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09-18-2006, 09:58 PM
DrSouthpaw

What's your play?

Villain is 84/14.....If if you play this hand how do you play the turn and river if they are unhelpful and the donk continues his aggressiveness.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($52.05)
UTG+1 ($62.25)
Hero ($66.20)
MP1 ($55.20)
MP2 ($36.90)
MP3 ($54.40)
CO ($30.95)
Button =#A500AF(Villain)/ ($60.53)
SB ($48)
BB ($99.13)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 4 folds, Button =#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, Villain raises to $8......
09-18-2006, 10:02 PM
bode

i toss this.
09-18-2006, 10:32 PM
swiggidy

you have no idea where you are and almost no outs, easy fold
09-18-2006, 10:42 PM
mcatdog

Ummm...did the big blind fold? No fucking way I fold top pair with a decent kicker against a button player like that. If the big blind called the raise though, it's probably best to let him take the maniac on himself.
09-18-2006, 10:46 PM
DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by mcatdog

Ummm...did the big blind fold? No fucking way I fold top pair with a decent kicker against a button player like that. If the big blind called the raise though, it's probably best to let him take the maniac on himself.

BB folded

I agree with you. I believe you're losing TONSSSSS of value folding TP/decent kick to a wild player like this. I'm just not sure how to play the turn and river when they continue their aggressiveness.
09-18-2006, 10:48 PM
Fnord

This hand is all about the other guy.
09-18-2006, 11:39 PM
BobbySalami

has he repeatedly been aggressive on flops?...or is he just seeing a lot of them and folding? That is the main question I think.
09-18-2006, 11:51 PM
DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by BobbySalami

has he repeatedly been aggressive on flops?...or is he just seeing a lot of them and folding? That is the main question I think.

He's been very aggressive on the flop with draws, high card, TP, and he doesn't slowplay his monsters. After the flop he plays his draws and monsters essentially the same way. He normally gives up on his bluffs after a called flop.
09-19-2006, 12:25 AM
nutsinho

i make it 4$ when the BB bets and if the maniac comes over the top of that he can have it unless hes a total lunatic
09-19-2006, 12:37 AM
DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

i make it 4$ when the BB bets and if the maniac comes over the top of that he can have it unless hes a total lunatic

See that's the point. He's an 84/18 player so he sees about every flop and he often just keeps chugging right along after the flop. At some point you you to draw the line. I just never know when to do it.
It's pointless to say just wait on a set or two pair and play with him, b/c you play that way with anyone....

Is pushing the flop a bad play here if I believe he calls with a flush/straight draw?
09-19-2006, 01:03 AM
BobbySalami

Another thing I noticed...was that big overbet on the flop standard for him as well?
09-19-2006, 01:10 AM
mcatdog

I'm willing to get all-in with him one way or another. Exactly how to do it depends on exactly what he's done in the past when he's played huge pots with pretty weak hands. Probably just make it $20 and call a shove.
09-19-2006, 01:55 AM
TerryToma

i dont like the limp KJs in front of him in the first place.

as played its a fold. between the 2 you close to zero outs
09-19-2006, 03:12 AM
ripjohngotti

Easy fold..
09-19-2006, 10:46 AM
swiggidy

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Originally Posted by TerryToma

i dont like the limp KJs in front of him in the first place.

I think everyone agrees with that.

If I raised pre-flop, button calls, and everyone else folds. Now if I get re-raised on the flop I would be willing to re-raise so he can call with his flush draw or whatever.
09-19-2006, 04:01 PM
DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by swiggidy

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Originally Posted by TerryToma

i dont like the limp KJs in front of him in the first place.

I think everyone agrees with that.

If I raised pre-flop, button calls, and everyone else folds. Now if I get re-raised on the flop I would be willing to re-raise so he can call with his flush draw or whatever.

Raising pre-flop with K/J in MP isn't really part of my game plan, and I really don't want to change that because of one player at a 10-handed table. If I do get heads up with him with a TP/decent kick hand, then I would really like to play.

I guess I should've re-raised the BB when he bet out, but he was a much tighter player so I was sort of sandwiched between a tight player betting out signifying that he had a hand, and a donk raising in position when he's raised just about every hand he's gotten involved with.
09-19-2006, 04:11 PM
swiggidy

I wasn't suggesting you should rasie KJo from MP, however it does not play well OOP. So if you're not going to raise it I think you need to fold it.

With KJ, you are either winning a little, or loosing a lot, IMO.
09-19-2006, 06:11 PM
TerryToma

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Originally Posted by DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by swiggidy

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Originally Posted by TerryToma

i dont like the limp KJs in front of him in the first place.

I think everyone agrees with that.

If I raised pre-flop, button calls, and everyone else folds. Now if I get re-raised on the flop I would be willing to re-raise so he can call with his flush draw or whatever.

Raising pre-flop with K/J in MP isn't really part of my game plan, and I really don't want to change that because of one player at a 10-handed table. If I do get heads up with him with a TP/decent kick hand, then I would really like to play.

I guess I should've re-raised the BB when he bet out, but he was a much tighter player so I was sort of sandwiched between a tight player betting out signifying that he had a hand, and a donk raising in position when he's raised just about every hand he's gotten involved with.

well u need to do something to your gameplan with a lagg with 84% vpip behind you.
09-20-2006, 06:25 PM
DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by TerryToma

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Originally Posted by DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by swiggidy

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Originally Posted by TerryToma

i dont like the limp KJs in front of him in the first place.

I think everyone agrees with that.

If I raised pre-flop, button calls, and everyone else folds. Now if I get re-raised on the flop I would be willing to re-raise so he can call with his flush draw or whatever.

Raising pre-flop with K/J in MP isn't really part of my game plan, and I really don't want to change that because of one player at a 10-handed table. If I do get heads up with him with a TP/decent kick hand, then I would really like to play.

I guess I should've re-raised the BB when he bet out, but he was a much tighter player so I was sort of sandwiched between a tight player betting out signifying that he had a hand, and a donk raising in position when he's raised just about every hand he's gotten involved with.

well u need to do something to your gameplan with a lagg with 84% vpip behind you.

Yeah, he's behind me along with 4 other players who aren't donking it out, and 3 in front who aren't either. Which is why when I'm essentially heads up in a preflop unraised pot and I have TP/decent kick, then I have every reason to believe my hand is good. I'm unsure of why you would lay it down unless you're just peddling nuts all night not taking into account your opp.
09-20-2006, 06:30 PM
DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by "TerryToma

well u need to do something to your gameplan with a lagg with 84% vpip behind you.

I believe changing your gamplan for 1 player at a 10handed table is a huge mistake.
09-20-2006, 07:16 PM
TerryToma

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Originally Posted by DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by "TerryToma

well u need to do something to your gameplan with a lagg with 84% vpip behind you.

I believe changing your gamplan for 1 player at a 10handed table is a huge mistake.

just keep in mind you will have a lag behind you here 84% of the time, probably close to 100% of the time if you limp.
09-20-2006, 07:25 PM
zook

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Originally Posted by DrSouthpaw

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Originally Posted by TerryToma

well u need to do something to your gameplan with a lagg with 84% vpip behind you.

I believe changing your gamplan for 1 player at a 10handed table is how you make money

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