Help me play better OOP

I get so lost in this spot against loose aggressive players(in this case 34/19.5/3). Is there a better way to play this? I usually give up on the flop but I just don't buy that I'm behind that often on the turn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($93.95)
CO ($96.20)
Button ($99.50)
Hero ($101.80)
BB ($96.15)
UTG ($92)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $13, BB calls $13.

River: ($46) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $76

That turn bet is just ugly. C/c flop is a good line.

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

That turn bet is just ugly. C/c flop is a good line.

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Yeah, I thought the bet size was bad $16-$19 would have been better. What do you do after you check/call the flop? There are times I'll donk the turn but I'm not sure that's good at all.

You bet the flop to see if he has an Ace. They usually fold without one on a board like that. Since he called, you should either check/fold or check/call the rest of the way. I think if it's a King high flop, then maybe double barrel at times.

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Originally Posted by r8ed

You bet the flop to see if he has an Ace.

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how many times must we go through this...

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by r8ed

You bet the flop to see if he has an Ace.

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how many times must we go through this...

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I'm saying he DID bet the flop to see if they had an Ace. I'm not instructing him to do so. I know...you fold weaker hands and get called by stronger ones.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

That turn bet is just ugly. C/c flop is a good line.

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Yeah, I thought the bet size was bad $16-$19 would have been better. What do you do after you check/call the flop? There are times I'll donk the turn but I'm not sure that's good at all.

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I think you missed the point. Betting the turn period is bad.

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

That turn bet is just ugly. C/c flop is a good line.

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Yeah, I thought the bet size was bad $16-$19 would have been better. What do you do after you check/call the flop? There are times I'll donk the turn but I'm not sure that's good at all.

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I think you missed the point. Betting the turn period is bad.

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But why? I think I'm going to get floated alot in this situation by this kind of player. Should I check/call and then check/fold the river or just give up on the turn?

can we just sticky that fucking thread already? i'm about ready to put it in my sig file. fuck.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=21766

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

That turn bet is just ugly. C/c flop is a good line.

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Yeah, I thought the bet size was bad $16-$19 would have been better. What do you do after you check/call the flop? There are times I'll donk the turn but I'm not sure that's good at all.

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I think you missed the point. Betting the turn period is bad.

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But why? I think I'm going to get floated alot in this situation by this kind of player. Should I check/call and then check/fold the river or just give up on the turn?

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So what if he is "floating?" You have Q-Q on an A high flop that is completely uncoordinated. There is absolutely no reason to be aggressive. I usually don't even bet the flop.

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Originally Posted by alias2211

can we just sticky that fucking thread already? i'm about ready to put it in my sig file. fuck.

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"And if you are first to act? "-Arkana
"thats for an entirely different thread... "-Gabe
Sorry I made you so upset. + I have a little read.

dsaxton, are you check/calling the whole way? It's mostly the river I'm curious about.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

dsaxton, are you check/calling the whole way? It's mostly the river I'm curious about.

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I don't see much value in betting on any street unless your opponent is loose passive and you're an awesome hand reader.

Folding the best hand in an $8 pot is much lower on the hiarchy of sins than folding the best hand in a $46 pot.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by alias2211

can we just sticky that fucking thread already? i'm about ready to put it in my sig file. fuck.

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"And if you are first to act? "-Arkana
"thats for an entirely different thread... "-Gabe
Sorry I made you so upset. + I have a little read.

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not upset with you personally hoooza, sorry if it sounded like that. just irritated that it isn't a sticky since it comes up so often and it's a thread that everyone on FTR should be required to read. it changes the way beginners are able to gain awareness of ahead/behind situations and that is extremely valuable.

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by r8ed

You bet the flop to see if he has an Ace.

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how many times must we go through this...

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Originally Posted by alias2211

can we just sticky that fucking thread already? i'm about ready to put it in my sig file. fuck.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=21766

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Where do we draw the line of when to cbet and when not to with a big pair on an Axx board? How does this change when we are in or OOP?

Say we have JJ here, what is our plan for the flop and the rest of the hand? What if we are in position?

Maybe the reason this comes up so often is because the majority of the responses people make in threads here are completely ambiguous. If an answer is so clear to everybody then there wouldnt be a thread with a question about it.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

That turn bet is just ugly. C/c flop is a good line.

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Yeah, I thought the bet size was bad $16-$19 would have been better. What do you do after you check/call the flop? There are times I'll donk the turn but I'm not sure that's good at all.

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No, checking turn is infinitely better than betting, unless you somehow know he picked up a flush draw or something. Ask yourself, why are you even betting the turn? Are you bluffing? When's the last time you seen a loose-aggro laydown top pair in a blind battle?

Most of the time checking this flop is better than betting, against most opponents. The board is so dry, that all worse hands usually fold, and no better hands are ever folding. However, if you know that he is a floating machine, then I'm okay with betting this flop (because you are most likely betting for value), but you HAVE to check that turn.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

I think I'm going to get floated alot in this situation by this kind of player. Should I check/call and then check/fold the river or just give up on the turn?

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Firing two barrells on such a dry board is NOT the way to counter a constant floater. The way to beat this guy is to play it passively (c/c) and let him hang himself. Needless to say, you will be put to some difficult decisions, but difficult != -EV.

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Originally Posted by alias2211

can we just sticky that fucking thread already? i'm about ready to put it in my sig file. fuck.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=21766

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Can you think of any reasons to not sticky it?