Value raise the river? Fnord picks tables g00t

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10-11-2006, 06:15 AM
Fnord

Value raise the river? Fnord picks tables g00t

My opponent is really loose and weak. Folds the flop against me when he doesn't have a piece. Haven't really given him cause to mistrust me.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Fnord ($259.80)
SB ($420.45)
BB ($69.55)
UTG ($258.05)
MP ($109.10)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $2, Fnord raises to $8, 2 folds, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($19) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Fnord checks.

Turn: ($19) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP bets $10, Fnord calls $10.

River: ($39) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP bets $8, Fnord ???

Take the cheap Show & Tell or value raise?
10-11-2006, 08:09 AM
AHiltz

His bet screams "fuck, the 3rd spade hit. Let's make a gay blocking bet." I raise here.
10-11-2006, 09:20 AM
elipsesjeff

I like a raise, although I doubt he calls anything above a minraise without at least a T.
10-11-2006, 12:45 PM
arkana

I don't think there is any real value in a raise, I seriously doubt that he calls you with a J or a weak A. I would expect him to bet the flop with AQ,AJ and check the river. The fact that hes trying to eek out a bit of value while still being scared of the flush makes it just too likely that he has trips or KQ and hes definitely not folding those hands.

Why no raise on the turn?
10-11-2006, 02:01 PM
elipsesjeff

Quote:

My opponent is really loose and weak. Folds the flop against me when he doesn't have a piece. Haven't really given him cause to mistrust me.

This is a bit confusing. How does this piece of information still not make us bet this flop when we are ahead? Your hand is still pretty vulnerable in this situation and if he DOES call you can check behind turn knowing he does have a piece and you dont know how big.

I don't think giving a free card here on the flop is the best play in this situation. If the board was more in your favor, like A33 rainbow, I could see it happening.
10-11-2006, 08:55 PM
Toadstool

I like the flop play of checking here - its usually a WA/WB situation (apart from a flush draw but thats unlikely - especially with the Ace out already. On the river - tough decision but I'd probably call as there is not that much value in raising unless he has a weak ace
10-11-2006, 08:58 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadstool

apart from a flush draw but thats unlikely - especially with the Ace out already

Also, with the K :spade: in hand a third spade doesn't make us want to fold.
10-11-2006, 10:26 PM
Ravageur

I doubt even a bad player gives you much more action with AQ, AJ here. You could make a small raise I guess and fold to a 3-bet but I like a call here.

And yeah I bet this flop. Donks will call you with QJ, KQ and random stuff here. No point giving a free card as any card that will give you action will probably give him a better hand (Unless you've seen him make lots bluffs when he senses weakness).
10-11-2006, 11:33 PM
elipsesjeff

I think if villain will call a cbet with a gutshot, then we must bet out on the flop. It all depends on what you define as 'piece' i guess, and is what i was referring too.