This is too obvious...

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10-21-2006, 01:53 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

This is too obvious...

no reads, can i do this?

PokerStars Game #6715224388: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/10/21 - 13:50:19 (ET)
Table 'Isara IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: \/iper ($20.45 in chips)
Seat 3: redgrape ($67.60 in chips)
Seat 4: 1stClassBrat ($29.85 in chips)
Seat 5: caddymix024 ($100.40 in chips)
Seat 6: brudman ($50 in chips)
\/iper: posts small blind $0.25
redgrape: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Jd Ad]
1stClassBrat: calls $0.50
caddymix024: folds
brudman: folds
\/iper: raises $1 to $1.50
redgrape: calls $1
1stClassBrat: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6h 2h Qs]
\/iper: bets $2
redgrape: calls $2
1stClassBrat: calls $2
*** TURN *** [6h 2h Qs] [5s]
\/iper: checks
redgrape: checks
1stClassBrat: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 2h Qs 5s] [Qd]
\/iper: bets $3.50
redgrape: calls $3.50 with one more left to act.
10-21-2006, 02:12 PM
Warpe

You have to showdown ace high sometimes. Pretty safe bet that nobody has much of anything given the turn action, and villain's river bet is weaksauce. NH sir.
10-21-2006, 04:17 PM
gabe

just fold the flop
10-21-2006, 04:38 PM
aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpe

You have to showdown ace high sometimes. Pretty safe bet that nobody has much of anything given the turn action, and villain's river bet is weaksauce. NH sir.

Are we reading the same hand history?

Fold preflop (raise from the SB after limps means usually a big hand, AJ plays badly against most people's range there), fold the flop. Fold the river.

Sometimes you can make a big call with ace high when they either have the nuts or nothing and their line makes no sense, but villain here easily could have a queen or be making a blocking bet with like 99+. He could be "bluffing" with AK and still have you beat. All you beat is a worse ace high or some random unpaired hand.
10-21-2006, 04:47 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by aislephive

Fold preflop (raise from the SB after limps means usually a big hand, AJ plays badly against most people's range there), fold the flop. Fold the river.

this is easy call preflop, we have a pretty hand and position against someone with a well defined range
10-21-2006, 05:05 PM
aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by aislephive

Fold preflop (raise from the SB after limps means usually a big hand, AJ plays badly against most people's range there), fold the flop. Fold the river.

this is easy call preflop, we have a pretty hand and position against someone with a well defined range

I thought it was AJo, my bad.
10-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

yeah, there's no way i fold AJs to a 3x bb raise from the button.
10-21-2006, 07:50 PM
aislephive

PFR was small blind.
10-21-2006, 07:52 PM
mcatdog

What were you hoping would happen when you called the flop bet? Most people don't raise mediocre hands from the small blind, so you really don't beat much of anything, and even if you hit your ace you might lose a big pot to 2 pair or AK. I'd be surprised if calling that flop bet resulted in you winning the pot even 10% of the time.

I can see why you'd think ace high is good on the river so it's not that horrible of a river call, but I suspect that it's still -EV.
10-21-2006, 08:24 PM
Robert

Massimo,

Fold the flop please, calling wouldn't be bad if you were HU with the SB, but you still have a player yet to act behind you and you are only calling with ace-high.
10-21-2006, 08:41 PM
Kits

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

just fold the flop
10-22-2006, 04:02 AM
Renton

don't make thin calls in multiway pots
10-22-2006, 04:14 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

Massimo,

Fold the flop please, calling wouldn't be bad if you were HU with the SB, but you still have a player yet to act behind you and you are only calling with ace-high.

you sound like you are seriously concerned!

So I agree, making the flop call was bad.