Hand review plz? 8 hands.

Thanks... I realize I'm not including reads. Assume none, because I was 6-8 tabling and I probably didn't have one either.


******* Hand 1 ********

I think this one probably should just go in the bad beats forum. Anyone folding the river? I have no reason to think he has me beat, right?

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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.05
UTG+1: $13.50
CO: $14.55
Button: $16.55
SB: $26.90
Hero: $25.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 3:heart: 2:heart:
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 9:heart: 5:heart: K:spade: ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, 3 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 4:heart: ($3.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls.

River: K:club: ($7.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, SB raises to $15, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $37.25


******* Hand 2 ********
His turn raise throws me for a loop -- just push? Does he call anything we beat? Meh.

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5 players
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Stack sizes:
Button: $16.55
UTG: $14.75
CO: $29.05
Button: $27.85
SB: $25.45
Hero: $25.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K:heart: J:heart:
2 folds, Button raises to $1, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5:diamond: 5:heart: 6:heart: ($2.1, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls.

Turn: 2:heart: ($4.1, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, Hero calls.

River: 9:heart: ($12.1, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $18.1


******* Hand 3 ********

Similar to the previous hand -- does he call anything we beat? I really seem to suck in WA/WB places.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
CO: $24.25
Button: $16.55
Button: $22.25
SB: $5.05
Hero: $26.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 3:heart: 4:heart:
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises to $0.75, SB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 5:heart: 6:heart: 5:club: ($3, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, CO calls, 2 folds.

Turn: A:diamond: ($6, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.5, Hero calls.

River: 7:diamond: ($11, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero raises all-in $22, CO calls all-in $13.5.
Uncalled bets: $2.5 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $50


******* Hand 4 ********

I think this one is standard, but my question is can I call this flop with 6ish outs?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.65
Hero: $16.55
CO: $25.60
Hero: $29.35
SB: $22.20
BB: $18.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 6:club: 6:diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.5, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 3:heart: 4:spade: 2:spade: ($5.25, 2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls.

Turn: 6:heart: ($11.25, 2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises all-in $23.85, SB calls all-in $11.7.
Uncalled bets: $7.15 returned to Hero.

River: 5:heart: ($44.65, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $44.65)


Results:
Final pot: $44.65


******* Hand 5 ********

I flat out suck with AK. Raise preflop? As played, play more passively? I hate AK.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $34.05
CO: $52.75
Button: $42.05
SB: $25.70
Hero: $25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A:spade: K:diamond:
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: K:heart: 9:diamond: 6:club: ($1.1, 4 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $3, Button folds, Hero raises to $9, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: 4:heart: ($20.1, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $15.75, CO calls.

River: 6:diamond: ($51.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.6)


Results:
Final pot: $51.6


******* Hand 6 ********

His line screams bluff to me. Sans read is it a call or a fold?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $20.95
UTG+1: $36.95
Hero: $25
Button: $24.65
SB: $8.75
BB: $31.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9:heart: J:heart:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 2:diamond: 2:heart: 8:spade: ($3.1, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: J:club: ($9.1, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, Button folds, BB raises all-in $28.25, Hero calls all-in $17.
Uncalled bets: $6.25 returned to BB.

River: 4:club: ($53.1, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $53.1)


Results:
Final pot: $53.1


******* Hand 7 ********

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $55
UTG+1: $10.85
CO: $31.10
Button: $53.90
SB: $13.95
BB: $9.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 4:heart: 4:diamond:
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 3:spade: 6:heart: 6:club: ($4, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, CO folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 7:spade: ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 9:spade: ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $6.5, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $23


******* Hand 8 ********

I also really fucking suck at drawing. Particularly OOP. Is this good? I think I can fold the river, but thats not the part I have questions about...

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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $6.25
UTG+1: $125.90
CO: $22.05
Button: $28.20
SB: $14.75
Hero: $24.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5:spade: 9:spade:
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 3:spade: 4:diamond: 6:diamond: ($0.85, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.75, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: 3:heart: ($2.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls.

River: 5:club: ($6.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG is all-in $3.25, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $12.85




Thanks guys. I think my main problems are:
A) I suck at drawing
B) Overplay AK
C) I seem to think everything is a WA/WB situation where I am probably way ahead but I also seem to think I often only get called when I'm beat...

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Thanks... I realize I'm not including reads. Assume none, because I was 6-8 tabling and I probably didn't have one either.

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This is a bit of a problem to be honest. You should have at least a feel of how your opponents are playing and have stats at the very least. Anyhoo...

hand 1) Not really sure here. I find myself calling in these spots, but you're showing a ton of strength so you have to assume he's going for a value c/r, and there's really nothing he can be doing that with that you have beat, besides overplayed trips. Sometimes call, sometimes fold, (almost) never push?

hand 2) I'd probably lead stronger on the flop or go for a c/r bomb. Sometimes I'll c/c though just for balance purposes. The paired board sucks, but you can't hope for a much better flop then this when playing this hand to a raise OOP. Folding and 3-betting pf are both options.

hand 3) I'd just fold preflop. It's a small raise but your hand sucks, you don't close the action, and the raiser isn't even full stacked. Again, paired board sucks but an OESFD is nothing to sneeze at. I want to make a bigger lead here on the flop, I think.

btw..

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I really seem to suck in WA/WB places.

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Not sure how having a 4 high mega-draw is a WA/WB place. :)

I'm not really sure about the river. I don't think he will call with anything you have beat. This whole hand is screwy. Just fold preflop. Given that he called, I'm guessing he had a boat but that's being entirely results oriented.

hand 4) if SB has a big pair here, fold flop (and only call preflop if you're very sure you can stack him with a set). Only call if a decent part of his range is overcards. Otherwise, your hand AND your draw sucks. Once the 6 hits, get it all-in. If he shows you 55/A5s or something similar, oh well. You still have 10 outs to a lock hand.

hand 5) eww, raise preflop. Jack it up big.. at least 6 or 7x. The rest of the hand is just discusting and straight up spew (unless you're going to stack KQ-TPGK in a limped pot). Unlikely.

hand 6) Just a side note, you need to increase the size of your bets in general. This doesn't necessarily directly apply to this hand.

Anyway, you beat exactly a bluff here. c/c + c/push is rarely a bluff in my experience. I think this is an attrocious call. Especially given that you've fired twice in a multiway pot (and after getting caleld in 2 spots on the flop) after being the preflop raiser. Just fold... checking the turn is also an option and possibly a good one (with the intention of usually calling a bet from behind, depending).

hand 7) I'm not really a fan of the c-bet here 4-way. I'd usually just c/f this. As played, the river seems like a fairly easy pass.

hand 8) Turn sucks. Either lead again or check/fold. With the size of UTG's stack I'd strongly lead towards check/folding here. Think about it, it's a very obvious non-nut draw and your opponent doesn't have much left behind anyway. Why check/call a near pot-bet on the turn?

Your main problem is that you have mega-leaks in your game but I think you blame too much of it on variance (vent). I also think you have to have more of a real agression to your game in some spots but need to slow down in others. I know that might sound contradictory but it's hard to explain. It also seems like you make a lot of really bad calls.

re: AK. A general guideline in NLHE at these stakes is that you don't want to be stacking off in an unraised pot.

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Originally Posted by Lukie

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Thanks... I realize I'm not including reads. Assume none, because I was 6-8 tabling and I probably didn't have one either.

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This is a bit of a problem to be honest. You should have at least a feel of how your opponents are playing and have stats at the very least. Anyhoo...

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TO BE HONEST feel is 100x better than stats

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by Lukie

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Thanks... I realize I'm not including reads. Assume none, because I was 6-8 tabling and I probably didn't have one either.

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This is a bit of a problem to be honest. You should have at least a feel of how your opponents are playing and have stats at the very least. Anyhoo...

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TO BE HONEST feel is 100x better than stats

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Probably the biggest thing I've learned as well. Turn off the brain and go with your gut feeling. Stats were the worst thing to happen to me in NL poker.

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Originally Posted by Lukie

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Thanks... I realize I'm not including reads. Assume none, because I was 6-8 tabling and I probably didn't have one either.

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This is a bit of a problem to be honest. You should have at least a feel of how your opponents are playing and have stats at the very least. Anyhoo...

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TO BE HONEST feel is 100x better than stats

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TO BE HONEST, I thought I made that pretty clear in my post, but it can't be denied that stats can be helpful barring any other sort of read or feel with the players you are playing. That said, I usually don't even use my HUD anymore, regardless of how many tables I am playing. It depends though, sometimes I still do.

Yeah, like everyone is saying...you need to have some reads here. Hopefully you're not jumping the gun and playing too many tables too soon. Maybe cut back on the number of tables so you can start to develop reads and definitely check out HUD or gametime+. As I've always said, though, those two programs are not the "end all be all" of reads, they're there to help you out...

1) I'm betting that river and just calling the re-raise. You're probably ahead here the majority of the time but it might be one of those WA/WB type of deals where if you push only better hands are calling...

2) Depending on the player and how active he has been (or hasn't been), I'd usually fold this preflop. As played, I'd probably shove on the turn more often than not, it's not likely that our opponent has 22, 56, or 66 here. If he's got two hearts and one of them is an ace good for him, I pay to see.

3) Fold preflop. You have a shit hand and you're OOP. All you're going to do is get yourself in trouble.....and it looks like that's what happened. Full house beats a straight?

4) Depends on reads again, but a raise like that out of the SB usually screams big pair....you sucked out and won on the turn, luckbox. :)

5) RAISE.......PREFLOP. Continuation bet and re-evaluate depending on how the action goes.

6) Bad call, me thinks.

7) Fold river. You have 44 in a multi-way pot, your c-bet got called......i'm thinking we're beat here.

8) I am folding this flop. You have a pretty hand here (OESD), but even if you hit......exactly who is going to pay you off? Your opponenet only has $7 or whatever here. Pot odds are cool and all (not even sure you had those), but you've gotta think about implied odds here too.

I think many people underestimate how useful Huds can be. If you're four tabling or less, or playing HSNL it's a little less important. But if you have a decent sample of somebody's vpip/pfr you instantly have more info about the hands they play, the hands they raise, etc. "Feel" is more applicable to live poker. Reads online are based purely on stats, betting patterns, timing tells, and the flow of the game as well as history between players.

Anyways ..

Hand 1, fold to the c/r there, call with the nut flush though. Problem is you can't beat a boat or a flush so your hand is basically a bluff catcher, and most opponents aren't check raising the river on a bluff down here.

Hand 2, the weak lead is bleh. I would bet out either 3/4 pot or check raise, leaning towards a check raise. I would 3 bet the turn against most 25nl players, as played definitely call the river.

Hand 3, I would usually fold preflop unless stacks were really deep or I had position or something, I suppose it's ok though. I don't like your constant weak leads though, bet bigger or check raise. As played I think I'd bet the river, his weak turn bet makes me think he will check behind a lot. This isn't a way ahead / way behind situation though, you are definitely not far behind but never ahead with 4 high. And yes, a river c/r there will be called by a lot of worse hands.

Hand 4, looks ok.

Hand 5, definitely raise preflop. As played I don't like the flop 3 bet there in an unraised pot with TPTK.

Hand 6, if you put him on a bluff you at least need to think of a hand he is bluffing with (ie. a missed draw), the board is completely dry and he overcalled the flop bet and check-raised all in on the turn. This is never a bluff, in fact it looks like he slowplayed an overpair or maybe 8's full or something. Easy turn fold, good bet though.

Hand 7, again the only way you can make this call is if you think he is bluffing because obviously all you beat is a bluff. But he has to have a hand to bluff with, he isn't calling your flop bet with no pair no draw. 45 got there, trips is definitely a possibility, so is 33/77. If he called with like 22 putting you on AK he wouldn't bet the river. You beat nothing there, easy river fold.

Hand 8, check fold the turn. Definitely fold the river, he can't think he has any fold equity so I think this is rarely a bluff.

I think HUD's are great for table (or more specifically seat) selection. After that, usually second and third level thinking become more important than the stats. At least in my limited NL experience it seems to be true.

Way different than limit, to be sure. In limit, stats are almost the only think you need.