Deep stack poker is complicated...

These are some good HH's for those who want to get better at deep stacked poker.

hand 1:
Olia is 31/13, and plays a bit looser preflop when spanktakular, who is like a 65/50, raises.

Olia seemed tightish postflop, the couple of hands he has showed down were a better than TPTK hands.
PokerStars Game #6790710262: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/27 - 15:55:33 (ET)
Table 'Menippe II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nickianthony ($98.80 in chips)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 ($114.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pokbln ($106 in chips)
Seat 5: spanktakular ($211.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 ($100 in chips)
Seat 7: gokings1 ($57.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Olia ($382.60 in chips)
Seat 9: redgrape ($283.30 in chips)
nickianthony: posts small blind $0.50
CoreyJ1: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [5c 6c]
pokbln: folds
spanktakular: raises $3 to $4
Pumuckel1: calls $4
gokings1: calls $4
Olia: calls $4
redgrape: calls $4
nickianthony: folds
brooklyncyc has returned
CoreyJ1: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d Qh 6s]
spanktakular said, "wow now thats what im talkin about"
spanktakular: checks
Pumuckel1: checks
gokings1: checks
Olia: bets $18
redgrape: calls $18
spanktakular: folds
Pumuckel1: folds
gokings1: folds
*** TURN *** [5d Qh 6s] [Ah]
Olia: bets $52
redgrape said, "wow"
redgrape: folds
Olia collected $54.70 from pot
Olia: shows [Ac Qs] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.50 | Rake $2.80
Board [5d Qh 6s Ah]
Seat 1: nickianthony (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: pokbln folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: spanktakular folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: gokings1 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Olia collected ($54.70)
Seat 9: redgrape (button) folded on the Turn

hand 2:
Same guy, olia. On flop i thought it was too weak to fold, he could still have PP's lower than mine. On turn i checked behind because i knew if he bet on the river strongly i was probably beat. The river card looked bad to me initially, but he really could not have had an Ace with the bet he made on the flop, unless it was AA.

When he checked i thought he probably had an overpair weaker than mine. I had never seen him check raise a river so i decided to value bet. $25 was probably too little.

PokerStars Game #6790734012: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/27 - 15:57:48 (ET)
Table 'Menippe II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: nickianthony ($98.30 in chips)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 ($113.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pokbln ($106 in chips)
Seat 4: brooklyncyc ($60 in chips)
Seat 5: spanktakular ($207.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 ($96 in chips)
Seat 7: gokings1 ($53.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Olia ($415.30 in chips)
Seat 9: redgrape ($261.30 in chips)
redgrape said, "i layed down 56"
CoreyJ1: posts small blind $0.50
pokbln: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Qd Qh]
brooklyncyc: calls $1
spanktakular: folds
Pumuckel1: folds
gokings1: calls $1
Olia: raises $4 to $5
redgrape: raises $7 to $12
nickianthony: folds
CoreyJ1: calls $11.50
pokbln: calls $11
brooklyncyc: folds
gokings1: folds
Olia: calls $7
*** FLOP *** [2h 5s 7c]
CoreyJ1: checks
pokbln: checks
Olia: bets $43
redgrape: calls $43
CoreyJ1: folds
pokbln: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 5s 7c] [4h]
Olia: checks
redgrape: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h 5s 7c 4h] [3h]
Olia: checks
redgrape: bets $25
Olia: calls $25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
redgrape: shows [Qd Qh] (a pair of Queens)
Olia: mucks hand
redgrape collected $183 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $186 | Rake $3
Board [2h 5s 7c 4h 3h]
Seat 1: nickianthony (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: pokbln (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: brooklyncyc folded before Flop
Seat 5: spanktakular folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: gokings1 folded before Flop
Seat 8: Olia mucked [Jd Jh]
Seat 9: redgrape showed [Qd Qh] and won ($183) with a pair of Queens

Here's another one: With the very loose aggressive 65/50 guy. I almost layed down the turn, thinking he either has a Q or a K, and not wanting to go potentially all the way with my AK. Then i realized he could also have a flush draw, and that it was actually a high possibility that he had exactly that.

River was a blocking bet, i thought if he raised he had me. I was really close to folding, But i had 5:1, and i felt like i had to call.

POKERSTARS GAME #6790554896: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/27 - 15:40:57 (ET)
Table 'Menippe II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: nickianthony ($107.30 in chips)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 ($86.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pokbln ($60 in chips)
Seat 4: brooklyncyc ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 5: spanktakular ($344.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 ($93.50 in chips)
Seat 7: longrnge ($48.40 in chips)
Seat 8: Olia ($383.55 in chips)
Seat 9: redgrape ($160.95 in chips)
Olia: posts small blind $0.50
redgrape: posts big blind $1
pokbln: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ks Ah]
nickianthony: folds
CoreyJ1: folds
pokbln: raises $1 to $2
brooklyncyc: folds
spanktakular: raises $2 to $4
Pumuckel1: folds
longrnge: folds
Olia: folds
redgrape: calls $3
pokbln: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Kd]
longrnge leaves the table
redgrape: bets $8
pokbln: folds
spanktakular: raises $8 to $16
redgrape: calls $8
*** TURN *** [7d Qc Kd] [Qh]
redgrape: checks
spanktakular: bets $30
gokings1 joins the table at seat #7
redgrape: calls $30
*** RIVER *** [7d Qc Kd Qh] [Tc]
redgrape: bets $29
spanktakular: raises $41 to $70
redgrape: calls $41
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spanktakular: shows [6d Ad] (a pair of Queens)
redgrape: shows [Ks Ah] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
redgrape collected $241.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $244.50 | Rake $3
Board [7d Qc Kd Qh Tc]
Seat 1: nickianthony folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokbln folded on the Flop
Seat 4: brooklyncyc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: spanktakular showed [6d Ad] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: longrnge (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Olia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: redgrape (big blind) showed [Ks Ah] and won ($241.50) with two pair, Kings and Queens

2nd hand I really like the thin value bet because he would have to bet with a straight there. as you have showed no aggressiveness.
The 3rd hand I don't like the blocking bet because you want to see the river as cheap as possible. Blocking bets are to prevent bluffs (though after looking at the HH, he didn't get the message).

Skinny why are you posting in response to your own alt's thread lol :-P

Nice hands.

Can you explain hand 1 in depth please? That looks like an amazing laydown from my point of view, so could you give us some insight into how you did it?

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very nice laydown

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

ha! amazing laydown? I bet there are players here who would just say 'standard.'

I'll go through it with you.

First of all, the call with 56s is fine because the raiser and i are both deep stacked, so there are huge implied odds.

i flop two pair, so i assume i'm good. He bets hard at the flop, so i assume he has hit something, or he has an overpair. either way, i'm winning. I know that if i call he'll probably bet the turn hard also, so i decided to slowplay. I also don't want to make the pot too large because i only have bottom two pair.

The turn comes an A. He bets really hard, again. The ace was a terrible card because now AQ and AA are beating me, and other hands like KQ or KK won't be as good anymore. Since he bet hard, i'm pretty sure he still likes his hand, and there's really nothing i'm beating. I immediately thought he had either QQ or AQ.

It was kind of tough. It was easier, however, because i was deepstacked. He was obviously going to bet hard on the river, and i didn't want to commit almost my entire stack on a measly bottom two pair.

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Originally Posted by DaHorror

Skinny why are you posting in response to your own alt's thread lol :-P

Nice hands.

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Massimo is Max, me. Iowaskinsfan is mainly Danny, my twin brother. Sometimes i accidentally post as him. for example, two posts ago in this topic i accidentally replied to a question to me on danny's account.

(note: i changed this post to my Massimo account so people weren't confused)

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Originally Posted by Ash256

Can you explain hand 1 in depth please? That looks like an amazing laydown from my point of view, so could you give us some insight into how you did it?

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ha! amazing laydown? I bet there are players here who would just say 'standard.'

I'll go through it with you.

First of all, the call with 56s is fine because the raiser and i are both deep stacked, so there are huge implied odds.

i flop two pair, so i assume i'm good. He bets hard at the flop, so i assume he has hit something, or he has an overpair. either way, i'm winning. I know that if i call he'll probably bet the turn hard also, so i decided to slowplay. I also don't want to make the pot too large because i only have bottom two pair.

The turn comes an A. He bets really hard, again. The ace was a terrible card because now AQ and AA are beating me, and other hands like KQ or KK won't be as good anymore. Since he bet hard, i'm pretty sure he still likes his hand, and there's really nothing i'm beating. I immediately thought he had either QQ or AQ.

It was kind of tough. It was easier, however, because i was deepstacked. He was obviously going to bet hard on the river, and i didn't want to commit almost my entire stack on a measly bottom two pair.

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Here's another one: With the very loose aggressive 65/50 guy. I almost layed down the turn, thinking he either has a Q or a K, and not wanting to go potentially all the way with my AK. Then i realized he could also have a flush draw, and that it was actually a high possibility that he had exactly that.

River was a blocking bet, i thought if he raised he had me. I was really close to folding, But i had 5:1, and i felt like i had to call.

POKERSTARS GAME #6790554896: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/27 - 15:40:57 (ET)
Table 'Menippe II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: nickianthony ($107.30 in chips)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 ($86.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pokbln ($60 in chips)
Seat 4: brooklyncyc ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 5: spanktakular ($344.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 ($93.50 in chips)
Seat 7: longrnge ($48.40 in chips)
Seat 8: Olia ($383.55 in chips)
Seat 9: redgrape ($160.95 in chips)
Olia: posts small blind $0.50
redgrape: posts big blind $1
pokbln: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ks Ah]
nickianthony: folds
CoreyJ1: folds
pokbln: raises $1 to $2
brooklyncyc: folds
spanktakular: raises $2 to $4
Pumuckel1: folds
longrnge: folds
Olia: folds
redgrape: calls $3
pokbln: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Kd]
longrnge leaves the table
redgrape: bets $8
pokbln: folds
spanktakular: raises $8 to $16
redgrape: calls $8
*** TURN *** [7d Qc Kd] [Qh]
redgrape: checks
spanktakular: bets $30
gokings1 joins the table at seat #7
redgrape: calls $30
*** RIVER *** [7d Qc Kd Qh] [Tc]
redgrape: bets $29
spanktakular: raises $41 to $70
redgrape: calls $41
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spanktakular: shows [6d Ad] (a pair of Queens)
redgrape: shows [Ks Ah] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
redgrape collected $241.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $244.50 | Rake $3
Board [7d Qc Kd Qh Tc]
Seat 1: nickianthony folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: CoreyJ1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokbln folded on the Flop
Seat 4: brooklyncyc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: spanktakular showed [6d Ad] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Pumuckel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: longrnge (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Olia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: redgrape (big blind) showed [Ks Ah] and won ($241.50) with two pair, Kings and Queens

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lol you read bad. I lead thsi turn, it tells you just what he has, i dont thinks its a queen on the preflop, but more like AXs or AJ. I think a weaker king is more likely considering he sucks (or seems to at least)

I also think the flop play with 56? and flopped tow pair is bad becuase you need to isolate here, and play it fast. I think you can safely fold the turn considering the guy just potted it into you, but it seems obvious hes going to overplay his top pair or two pairs into your sets which = $$$$

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

lol you read bad. I lead thsi turn, it tells you just what he has, i dont thinks its a queen on the preflop, but more like AXs or AJ. I think a weaker king is more likely considering he sucks (or seems to at least)

I also think the flop play with 56? and flopped tow pair is bad becuase you need to isolate here, and play it fast. I think you can safely fold the turn considering the guy just potted it into you, but it seems obvious hes going to overplay his top pair or two pairs into your sets which = $$$$

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Yeah, i hate playing against really LAGG's, i always give them way too much credit.

I disagree with you about my bottom two. Isolate? He potted the flop, it's not like people are going to stay in with mid pair (also something i didn't include, the other two were tight over a small sample size). I also have position on everyone.

You need to be raising the flop in hand 1.