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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $197
UTG+1: $330.25
CO: $300.65
Button: $77.40
Hero: $212.95
BB: $171.15
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K:diamond: K:heart:
UTG raises to $7, UTG+1 raises to $24, CO calls, Button folds, Hero ???
UTG could have AQ, +1 maybe JJ, QQ, AK, CO same range probs. I re-raise here and think about folding to a push.
i make it $75 and call a push
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Originally Posted by ChrisTheFish
Ok, my bad :P I got the jist of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Anybody like a shove here with $58 in the pot?
shoving is fine too
I prefer shove over raise/call push. u might get a thinking player to perceive it as a way to isolate w/ a non-premium pair or AK (a variant of squeeze play). and if u are prepared to call a push from AA then no significant difference. and of course against the non-thinking player you an get more calls from worse hand and not lose value due to a flop that might scare him away from giving you the whole stack.
Depends on what I think of them. Usually call.
I was waiting for someone to say that, so I can agree with them!! Why raise anyone out of the hand? You have the second nuts and wouldn't mind an UTG overcall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Do we have any outs here? If we push and they fold, we've just taken down a relatively big pot. If we call and play some poker, fine, but then the initial raiser is crazy to fold and we're playing a 4-way pot with an overpair.Quote:
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Depending on my information on Villain, and how deep both Hero and Villain are, Im going to follow flock with the calling strategy.
Multi-way I would re-raise but heads up I call (Dependant on above), with preferably position, and raise/push against Villains flop bet.
In this instant both Hero and Villain had over one buy in. If my opponent was more likely to call a raise with AK here, then his hand could range from 1010-AA, and i prefer to re-raise and build the pot pre flop. If we are correct about Villain and he pushes, I shut my eyes and call. Playing the hand this way minimises the hands that dominate me to only one. If i call and an awful flop like 10-J-Q etc appears, im behind to several hands and im left being the one making the tough decisions.
Aslong as the above situation wasn't a factor, then I think the line between calling and raising is very fine, and should be based on how comfortable the Hero is with playing flops against a re-raise.
Memeon
i hardly ever make money postflop when i call hereQuote:
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
This suprises me gabe.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I only registered an account today but have been reading the forums for about 2 week now. In that time ive reviewed a few of your hard histories, where you appear to open with a wider range then most, however im unsure on frequency and how your opponents would perceive you?
I suppose that is the main question, but you would think a player opening with a wide range of starting hands, would be able to extract maximum from calling a re-raise with a big hand?
that is why i like to shove. bad calls are being made more often PF than they are postflop.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Funny, that's the exact same thought that crossed my mind, just before I shoved.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Multi-way, there are so many ways to lose this hand postflop, raising/shoving are the most +EV plays, imo.
They folded.
yea but i dont call a reraise out of position preflop with a wide range of hands, so they can usually put me on a big hand pretty easily. people think that since im aggressive preflop that i have AK if i reraise here, buti hardly ever do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memeon
This is why you 4 bet with KK for the reasons Gabe stated, they always put you on AK (even though AK is the bottom of my range, the rest being AA/KK/ sometimes QQ / bluff (never would I bluff 4 bet two players though). So when people are felting JJ here I'm very happy.
Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2./$4.
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $157.80
Button: $424.50
SB: $137.50
Hero: $408.40
Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with A:spade: K:spade:
UTG raises to $14, Button raises to $48, SB folds, Hero raises to $160, UTG folds, Button raises all-in $424.5, Hero calls all-in $408.4.
Uncalled bets: $408.4 returned to Hero.
Flop: 2:heart: 6:heart: T:club: ($-232.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $865)
Turn: K:club: ($-232.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $865)
River: J:diamond: ($-232.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $865)
Results:
Final pot: $825.5
Button shows J:club: J:heart:
Hero shows A:spade: K:spade:
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Originally Posted by gabe