5/10 deceptive straight vs meatcity

villian is meatcity, he is a TAG who spews too much but i think he is playing more sane today than what i've seen from him before. i called the flop because i thought i was ahead. i checked the river because hes aggro enough to fire with anything, but was unsure of how much to raise for value. i think he would call a minraise but not sure if he would call more. thoughts on any street?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($482.10)
Button ($448)
Hero ($3209.95)
BB ($1797)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($60) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $50, BB raises to $180, Hero calls $130.

Turn: ($420) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($420) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $290, Hero raises to ??

this is the only other big hand we had played together in the session, not sure how relevant it is.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($244.05)
BB ($597)
Hero ($2231)
Button ($1370)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
Hero raises to $30, Button raises to $90, 2 folds, Hero calls $60.

Flop: ($195) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($195) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $120, Button raises to $340, Hero calls $220.

River: ($875) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $895

Results in white below:
Hero has 8s 5s (two pair, nines and eights).
Button has Ad 6h (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $895.

this seems like an interesting spot to shove no matter what your hand is.

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Originally Posted by Renton

this seems like an interesting spot to shove no matter what your hand is.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by Renton

this seems like an interesting spot to shove no matter what your hand is.

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but its so easy for him to have an 8 that shoving without it is spewing...i think

Especially since stacks are kinda deep, he has like 1200 behind, how about like 3x his bet

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by Renton

this seems like an interesting spot to shove no matter what your hand is.

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but its so easy for him to have an 8 that shoving without it is spewing...i think

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is it really so easy?

why not try doing some EV calculations to see if pushing without the 8 here is good if he always folds without the 8? it might be a good exercise for you or anyone else..

well, its really dependant on what range you put him on after the flop and turn action

no, i just meant you can do an equation with a river check push with air. how often does he have to fold for it to be good and such..

i pushed which i think was bad and he folded. i think theres probably value in a smaller raise.

If a push only gets called by an 8, then we should only push when we don't have one, right? Especially since 1 in 12 8s is also 89 nuts! (1/12 is only 7% or whatever, but that's like $100).

Should we push when we don't have one? 17% he has an 8 if you don't, given that he has any 2 in a blind war with not much betting. Betting 1200 to win 355... So, it seems slim but +EV to push with no 8. (I make it at +90)

Of course, if he knows this he may call without an 8...

Of course, of course, maybe betting less than 1200 with OR without 8 is best... unless he might re-raise you!

OK, I just leveled myself.

My vote: min/raise with anything, including an 8 here, except maybe push 89.

I think he'd be making a mistake not calling a small raise from you.

I'd say a minraise is good for the first hand. I love the minbet in hand 2 on the river.

700 to go seems right to me if he knows you're capable of bluffing some % of the time in this spot.

Who knows, if he has lots of "spewiness" bent up inside maybe he'll push!

i like the re-raise bet of $655 to go...