AK no pair no draw, reraised pot - I'm all in baby.

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11-28-2006, 08:08 PM
aislephive

AK no pair no draw, reraised pot - I'm all in baby.

Button is standard 20/15 tag, likely reraising me light since he is on the button and I've been fairly active as of late.

Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($245.68)
Button ($189)
SB ($297.66)
BB ($226.11)
UTG ($91.85)
Hero ($199.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $21, 2 folds, Hero calls $14.

Flop: ($45) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $34, Hero raises $199.85 (All-In)
11-28-2006, 08:11 PM
Fnord

For a minute I wondered if this hand was against me, then I noticed the site...
11-28-2006, 08:17 PM
euphoricism

I dont think anyone here is capable of telling you whether youre good here or not. If your read is correct, youre good! :P
11-29-2006, 12:15 AM
nutsinho

seems pretty standard on that flop, i like
11-29-2006, 12:17 AM
nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I dont think anyone here is capable of telling you whether youre good here or not. If your read is correct, youre good! :P

lol, this hand isnt about whether he's good or not at all, it's about what portion of villains range he folds, and his equity against the remainder
11-29-2006, 12:44 AM
IowaSkinsFan

no one folds preflop?
11-29-2006, 12:52 AM
gabe

do you really think the 1/2 regular is reraising you light?
11-29-2006, 01:05 AM
aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

do you really think the 1/2 regular is reraising you light?

Of course, otherwise I would not have done this. 1/2 regulars are a lot better than they were say 3-4 months ago, "reraising light" is probably overdone by many 1/2 players, IMO.

Also, even if he was reraising a solid hand, quite a bit of his range here folds to the flop shove. JJ+ obviously won't, although QQ really is put to a tough spot (I would imagine QQ folds here very rarely however). AK/AQ etc fold, AJ might even fold, and all pocket pairs that aren't sets TT and under will very likely fold as well.

Bottom line is I think the majority of his reraising range here folds to a flop push and when called I usually have decent equity with a lot of dead money.
11-29-2006, 01:18 AM
gabe

why not just reraise preflop
11-29-2006, 01:33 AM
dsaxton

I prefer making another raise preflop if you suspect he is reraising with marginal hands.
11-29-2006, 05:00 AM
aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

I prefer making another raise preflop if you suspect he is reraising with marginal hands.

I don't think you and Gabe are thinking deep enough, here. DUCY?
11-29-2006, 06:03 AM
Genitruc

4-betting preflop lets villain get away from a lot of hands that you are crushing. When the 3-betting is light, I'd rather 4-bet with crap like A7 or 55 (s hit that I'm not really priced into playing since you're not really ever getting implied odds when the 3 betting is light) as a kind of semi-bluff. If villain does call, then you have some type of hand that can hit a flop...

Aisle I like this play from time to time esp if you are tangling with villain over a long period. It makes you much tougher to play against in big pots.
11-29-2006, 08:43 AM
johnny_fish

This hand is more about the range you do this with than the actual hand now.. As long as AJ is more or less 0 EV to call then it's fine I guess.
11-29-2006, 10:17 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

I prefer making another raise preflop if you suspect he is reraising with marginal hands.

I don't think you and Gabe are thinking deep enough, here. DUCY?

lol, you got the right idea that you are going to have to bluff some flops in reraised pots, but in general just calling reraises vs good players who are 3 betting light is bad.
11-29-2006, 02:04 PM
Lukie

This is a great play to use sometimes and hugely +EV "the first time" against a light 3-bettor. I'd prefer if the jack was like a 9 but you can't be too picky.

I'm not saying this should be standard but I do think it is a better play then most give credit for.

also to the person that asked why we don't fold preflop.. why would you want to fold the nuts preflop? that's crazy talk (AK against someone 3-betting you light is basically the nuts preflop at 100bb deep).
11-29-2006, 02:13 PM
elipsesjeff

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

no one folds preflop?

Wouldn't be the first time I folded. Calling his reraise pretty much sets you up for hoping to hit an Ace or king, or running the play OP did. Reraising preflop gives you another option to win without having to hit your hand. Plus, I'm still getting calls when I 4bet with only AA and KK so I doubt you lose all that much value. I should start 4betting more with AK but I'm too chicken.
11-29-2006, 02:18 PM
mcatdog

I fold here a fair amount, but that's only because the average player sucks too much to be 3-betting a wider range than JJ+/AK. Make no mistake, folding here is a very exploitable / bad play that only becomes good against opponents who play even worse than you. If I have any respect for my opponent, I don't fold here.
11-29-2006, 02:23 PM
mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

no one folds preflop?

Wouldn't be the first time I folded. Calling his reraise pretty much sets you up for hoping to hit an Ace or king, or running the play OP did. Reraising preflop gives you another option to win without having to hit your hand. Plus, I'm still getting calls when I 4bet with only AA and KK so I doubt you lose all that much value. I should start 4betting more with AK but I'm too chicken.

Nits!

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11-29-2006, 04:53 PM
aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

lol, you got the right idea that you are going to have to bluff some flops in reraised pots, but in general just calling reraises vs good players who are 3 betting light is bad.

I would never call here with 44, or 67s, if that's what you're implying.

With AK here, I'm pretty much all in on any flop if I hit or not (against a light 3 bettor). My intention was not to ever c/f, here. I win way more from his light 3 betting range by just calling preflop and shoving any flop because A.) He rarely has a hand to call with since he is doing this with a lot of weak hands. B.) My line looks very strong and a lot of legitimate hands here he will fold. C.) He fires a 3/4 pot bet on probably any flop, and D) I often have two live overcards when called.

4 betting as Gentruic said, is usually better to do with air or AA/KK. If stack sizes showed that you would have no fold equity after they pot the flop, then you're better off 4 betting AK and just getting it in preflop.

This is coming from somebody who used to 4 bet AK like it was his job, FWIW.