A-J... damn you.

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12-11-2006, 10:21 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

A-J... damn you.

This actually happened 2 times in a 5 minute span, both times i had A-J and they had... well...

Seat 1: Player 3 ($29.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Player 4 ($76.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($41.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Player 5 ($203.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Player 6 ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Villian ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Player 7($98.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Player 1 ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Player 2 ($63.75 in chips)
Villian: posts small blind $0.25
Player 8: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to VI-Zer0Skill [Jc Ah]
Player 1: folds
Player 2: raises $1 to $1.50
Player 3: folds
Player 4: calls $1.50
Hero: calls $1.50
Player 5: calls $1.50
Player 6: calls $1.50
Villian: calls $1.25
Player 7: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2d 3d]
Villian: bets $1.50
2 folds
VI-Zer0Skill: raises $4 to $5.50
2 folds
Villian: calls $4
1 fold
*** TURN *** [Jh 2d 3d] [2h]
Villian: checks
Hero: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2d 3d 2h] [Tc]
Villian: bets $6
Hero: ?

I can see the value of knowing your opponents in a situation like this. Either way, this bet looks like; i have a set i want to get paid off. Or; i missed my flush draw and i suck so i put out a tiny bet and hope you fold. Finally, it could mean; i think my J-x (J-10 Maybe?) is good and i am betting for value when c/c would make more sense. I don't know if he is a smart player, but it would seem to me i have a majority of hands beat and i have to make this call. Is that true? Any other problems with this hand? I also wondered if i should have just tossed the A-J pf or had instead reraised, since my position was ok.
12-12-2006, 07:36 AM
Miffed22001

on thos board i bet the turn a lot on a draw heavy board and check behind on a lot of rivers.
Your line is fine too, just call this river bet.
12-16-2006, 03:38 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

i did call the river and my opponent did turn over a set.
12-16-2006, 03:50 PM
swiggidy

$26 pot (4:1) with TPTK. Super-easy-call.

Your flop raise sucks FWIW. There is $12 in the pot. You're giving the donk better odds to chase anything and good odds to everyone else. If you raise you need to make it $10 minimum. I would go with $14.

However, this sucks because you're bloating a pot and you have no idea where you are. AJo isn't a good multi-way hand, if you're not raising after 2 limpers pre-flop you need to pitch it.
12-16-2006, 04:45 PM
Alibi

easy fold pre
12-16-2006, 05:48 PM
givememyleg

Yeah I fold this preflopizzle. If you raise the flop, raise more. Don't raise the river!
12-16-2006, 06:05 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

A-J being a poor multi way pot hand makes sense now that you all mentioned it. It also seems like a weak hand to reraise to isolate with; i will probably toss this more pf. Thanks for the advice.
12-16-2006, 06:12 PM
swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

It also seems like a weak hand to reraise to isolate with

Depends on how wide villains raising range is. Against bad post-flop opponents (i.e. Ax is the nuts) you can almost play AJ like AK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

i will probably toss this more pf.

The idea you're looking for is "gap concept". You need a stronger hand to call a raise, then you do to raise.