Top pair and flush draw on flop - suspect I'm behind

In both these hand I'm up about quite strong players with top pair and a flush draw. I suspect I'm behind but I'm not sure. How should I play the hands?

Hand 1:
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $111.25
UTG+1: $296.50
UTG+2: $116.25
MP1: $146.75
MP2: $31.75
MP3: $37.25
CO: $41.25
Button: $99
SB: $39.50
Hero: $109

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with :as::ad:
7 folds, Button raises to $3.5, SB folds, Hero raises to $9, Button calls.

Flop: :2d::kd::jd: ($18.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises all-in $90, Hero :?:
Read button: SLAA (21.6/5.3)

Hand 2:
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $144.50
UTG+1: $102.50
UTG+2: $29.38
MP1: $54.75
MP2: $222.50
MP3: $58
Hero: $94.25
Button: $41.25
SB: $266.62
BB: $104

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with :kd::qd:
6 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: :5d::qh::8d: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $24, Hero :?:
Read BB: TA (12.9/6.7)

1 is a call, im not folding aces there.

1) if your stats are accurate it looks like he has KK/QQ/JJ/AK. Maybe KK pushes pre, maybe not. Since he's not likely to be playing 2 low diamonds, 2 extra outs vs. set.... even if he only pushes QQ with Qd here, you are still ahead ~40% of the time, and don't even need to hit your flush. Gotta call. I would likely fold without the Ad, though.

2) looks like a set. Is he a NIT or could he be making a move? Call or fold, both pretty meh. I don't think a push over has fold equity, but since you win a show down AXd if no diamond hits, I think I just call and see what he does on the turn. He didn't raise quite enough to kill your implied odds. (you have to call 16 with 66 behind, almost 4:1 implied odds).

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Originally Posted by zenbitz

1) if your stats are accurate it looks like he has KK/QQ/JJ/AK. Maybe KK pushes pre, maybe not. Since he's not likely to be playing 2 low diamonds, 2 extra outs vs. set.... even if he only pushes QQ with Qd here, you are still ahead ~40% of the time, and don't even need to hit your flush. Gotta call. I would likely fold without the Ad, though.

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Thanks for the analysis. Against this oponent I might also fold AA here with no diamond. But he can make moves as well. It's a big push to call though...

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Originally Posted by zenbitz

2) looks like a set. Is he a NIT or could he be making a move? Call or fold, both pretty meh. I don't think a push over has fold equity, but since you win a show down AXd if no diamond hits, I think I just call and see what he does on the turn. He didn't raise quite enough to kill your implied odds. (you have to call 16 with 66 behind, almost 4:1 implied odds).

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Why would a push not be ok here? The oponent is very tight (12.9), but can lay down quite strong hands. I'm also not confident he would pay off a made flush on the turn, so the implied odds might not be there.

I'm never folding top pair and a flush draw ever on any flop, do something to get all the money in.

I think a push in hand 2 is good, if you think he's check/raising with worse than a set, but not worse than TPGK (becuase him folding something like QJ or a worse f/d is bad). Since 2 pair hand on this board are quite unlikely, maybe a push is good.

Hand 1: You do not have top pair with a flush draw...

You have overpair with the nut flush draw- only thing that greatly screws you is a lower flush- he'd hafta have 9T diamonds to go for a steal on the button. Hmm. I call, he has a set at best, and there's a good chance he has Qd, or AK or some crap.

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Hand 1: You do not have top pair with a flush draw...

You have overpair with the nut flush draw- only thing that greatly screws you is a lower flush- he'd hafta have 9T diamonds to go for a steal on the button. Hmm. I call, he has a set at best, and there's a good chance he has Qd, or AK or some crap.

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You are right. :oops:

Here is how the two hands ended:

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Originally Posted by Borax

Hand 1:
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $111.25
UTG+1: $296.50
UTG+2: $116.25
MP1: $146.75
MP2: $31.75
MP3: $37.25
CO: $41.25
Button: $99
SB: $39.50
Hero: $109

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with :as::ad:
7 folds, Button raises to $3.5, SB folds, Hero raises to $9, Button calls.

Flop: :2d::kd::jd: ($18.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises all-in $90, Hero :?:
Read button: SLAA (21.6/5.3)

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Hero calls.
Turn: :5c: ($198.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $198.5)

River: :4s: ($198.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $198.5)

Results:
Final pot: $198.5
Button: shows :jh::jc: (Three of a kind, Jacks, King high)
Hero: shows :as::ad: (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Button collected $195.50 from Main pot

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Hand 2:
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $144.50
UTG+1: $102.50
UTG+2: $29.38
MP1: $54.75
MP2: $222.50
MP3: $58
Hero: $94.25
Button: $41.25
SB: $266.62
BB: $104

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with :kd::qd:
6 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: :5d::qh::8d: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $24, Hero :?:
Read BB: TA (12.9/6.7)

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Hero raises all-in $90.25, BB calls.

Turn: :qs: ($189, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $189)

River: :3c: ($189, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $189)

Results:
Final pot: $189
Hero: shows :kd::qd: (Three of a kind, Queens, King high)
BB: shows :5c::5h: (A Full House, Fives full of Queens)
BB collected $186 from Main pot
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On the bizzaro FTR site, someone is posting

Me am hit sets getting paid! So Sad! Hello!

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Originally Posted by zenbitz

On the bizzaro FTR site, someone is posting

Me am hit sets getting paid! So Sad! Hello!

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