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I checked mine tonight, from my whole 6max career, and Anosmic laughingly pointed out how "textbook" they are. So, I'll post them here and if you disagree, let me know where I'm missing value!
Overall: 24/14
Button: 32/20
CO: 26/18
HJ: 20/13
UTG: 16/10
BB: 14/8
SB: 34/11
Overall 17/14
Button 24/21
CO 21/20
HJ 16/15
UTG 14/14
BB 10/5
SB 17/11
Overall: 22/18
Button: 41/38
CO: 28/26
HJ: 12/10
UTG: 8/8
BB: 12/8
SB: 25/15
And Biondino, I would definitely disagree with yours being 'textbook'
wow at THaC
Overall: 20.7/16.3
Button: 27/22
CO: 22/20
HJ: 20/19.5
UTG: 18.5/18.5
BB: 15/7.5
SB: 20/12
I am wondering Andy what your win rate on the Button is???
Overall : 32.1/22
UTG : 22.2/21.8
HJ : 25.2/23.1
CO : 32.8/27.8
Btn : 36.5/25.6
SB : 44.3/22.9
BB : 24.6/12.1
35/25 on button
...
18/17 utg
just gradually moves from one to the other
lol man of few words... and numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
24.83/21.41
29.43/26.35 on Button
gradually goes down to
22.69/22.39 UTG
my averages are 30/25 otb, 13/11.8 utg, and 30/14 in the sb. overall about 23/17.
But I think I should learn to play looser all around for lots of the tables I'm playing now (taggish), and especially in LP.
50 NL and 100 NL stats
I'm a NIT, what can i say?
All Positions: 19.18/13.96
Button: 29/24.37
CO: 21.53/18.82
MP: 13.61/10.42
UTG: 12.24/9.62
BB: 12.56/7.52
SB: 22.26/10.78
Overall 25/14 over 31k hands
Positions:
BTN 26/17
CO 21/14
HJ 21/14
UTG 18/14
BB 19/9
SB 41/13
My stats are: 20/14
Bn: 25/19
Co: 21/18
HJ: 18/16
UTG: 14/13
BB: 14/8
SB: 27/13
Yah I'm wondering the same thing as Jager. You must get the blinds three betting you a ton?Quote:
Originally Posted by andy-akb
Its interesting to see the variance in people's SB numbers, there's a pretty wide range.
Andy, I very much doubt yours are either. 38% PFR on the button? Position can't save you against some of the players who must play back at that many raises... can it?
One thing - if you call a raise pre-flop, does poker tracker consider that a pre-flop raise?
it's a cold call as far as I know.
i dont think so, its just a VP$IPQuote:
Originally Posted by biondino
So Andy either raises or re-raises 38% of the time? Man that's mental! It's also why I'm terrified of playing his stakes :)
(I wonder what the 3% he limps are?)
Wow 32/22. I admire your postflop skills, how do you do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Overall my stats are 21/12
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/3...c3350e0554.jpg
More wow is 22/22 UTG! wow.. I admire your OOP postflop skills! lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
What is your range OOP? you must be playing a lot of suited connectors and such, from EP, and raising with them too.
My numbers change all the time, sometimes i sit down and play incredibly laggy in LP, othertimes I play a lot tighter. Those stats were over my last 2k hands, on a larger sample they are probably going to be closer to Genitrucs, but because I play such different styles sometimes I dont really like looking at those aspects of my game over larger samples because it blurs the picture more
My winrate over the past like 40k hands on the button is .15ptbb, dont know if thats high, low, or what, but I also dont think it gives the best picture. My image gets ridiculous at points which helps me get paid off on big hands in other positions as well because people simply dont pick up on the fact that Im very tight in EPQuote:
Originally Posted by Jager
Yes, I get 3 bet by the blinds a ton, its just something that you have to adjust forQuote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
I didnt mean my comment personally at all or as an attack or anything, so I hope you didnt take it that way. Im very confident that my button play is +EV, maybe it could be more +EV though and thats also something Im experimenting with. Again, at 200nl and up [Im not saying my stakes are high, because they arent at all, but people definitely are noticeably better here] your image is more an more important and playing a very loose LP game is something that gives you a good image and is still immediately profitable because of the fact that you are in position. Some of my raises my be marginally -EV, but nothing horrible and Id be surprised if it werent made up for with my imageQuote:
Originally Posted by biondino
3betting is something that is definitely a big part of that range. I dont often limp and would say most of that 3% is me cold calling raises, i will limp occassionally with really marginal stuff if there are a few people in ahead of meQuote:
Originally Posted by biondino
Could you elaborate? I've been dabbling in 6-max a little and don't have a great strategy for dealing with this yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy-akb
I've found that it takes a VERY aggressive player to 3-bet you, continuation bet hard on the flop (with a missed Ak, or AQ etc.. ) and continue again on the turn if you call his flop bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
They are probably used to their cont bets, after 3-betting, getting respected. So I suppose you could deal with this by floating some flops, and betting when they check to you on the turn, since you have position on them.
my utg range is somewhat skewed by the fact that I currently pitch a lot of so-so hands that I used to raise UTG.
Playing my "current" game, my utg #s are prob something like 17/17 but my overall stats are looser since I've opened up my range considerably in LP.
Full Tilt PokerQuote:
Originally Posted by zook
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9:spade: 8:spade:
3 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB folds, BB raises to $24, Hero calls.
Flop: 6:heart: A:club: A:heart: ($49, 2 players)
BB bets $38, Hero raises all-in $209.7, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $171.7 returned to Hero.
Results:
Final pot: $125
But seriously, you just have to make some moves in general. Felt some marginal hands, push over raises, float, etc. just try to pick up on some tendencies of your opponent and go from there
I basically just play like a donk then hit a run of cards and get paid off by better players
Nitty can work very well at 100NL and below. At 200NL I'm starting to see the need to loosen up to manage a decent winrate.
You mind if I make that my sig? j/kQuote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Anyone notice the trends here??? It seems that the higher level(200+) players have a PFR close to or at least 20%. The lower level(100-) players are less than 15%. I think the 2 main differences here are UTG and 3bet ranges. Is it a coincidence that with these 2 points its critical to have a strong postflop game?
How to make money at poker:
-Have a good image. Example:
Villain is 18/10/5 over 2300 hands
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/ad.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/kh.png
UTG raises to $7, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $24, 3 folds, UTG raises to $82, Hero raises all-in $247.35, UTG calls all-in $123.8.
Uncalled bets: $123.55 returned to Hero.
Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/3h.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/7d.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/6d.png ($6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $250.6)
Turn: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/td.png ($6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $250.6)
River: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/6s.png ($6, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $250.6)
Results:
Final pot: $6
UTG showed Ks Qs
Hero showed Ad Kh
^^ hand?
Yea, Im retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Added that in.
andy do you coach?
This is a really horrible hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy-akb
a)biondino stats look like he cold calls a bit too much,
b)Jager who I think is a good player, always like his posts, looks like he isn't playing a positional enough game.
c)Andys stats look wicked these are the kind of stats I think will generally be pretty profitable (If you're good post-flop)
d)Thac's stats actually look really good for a great TAG
What stakes do you play at Thac & what is your general winrate?
I am still at microstakes 25$, I am trying to play the same sort of pre-flop game that Andy's stats indicate but the more I read it seems that your sort of stats are more profitable till you hit 100/200$.
Can someone hack into 2+2 and paste this into all their strategy forums in place of every post by a regular?Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
I don't think Lagging it up vs random opponents increases your BB/100 much at <100NL. I think you only get paid when your donk opponents have mediocre hands and your image isn't so important.Quote:
Originally Posted by noble007
lagging against a spewing maniac atm is +++eV
Notice I said, _but seriously_, meaning I put that hand in there as a joke. It was a joke not because it was a bad hand [I dont think it was], but because it obviously has more to it than that and wasnt going to get into the thought behind it because that isnt why I posted it. Given my reads, history, stats, etc. he is folding everything except AK, AQ, AA or 66 there. If I am called, Im very likely to be drawing completely dead or to like a backdoor straight but his range is made up hugely by hands that I am behind AND he will fold to a push. Making a habit out of this play is retarded, making a comment on it without any reads, flow, or anything when I even said _but seriously_ is also retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
aisle,
you always make posts criticizing people (or their hands/moves) but from what i understand you aren't that good at poker.
now now... let's keep this thread about berating Andy!
So back to making fun of Andy...
What are these "moves" you speak of, sir?
***** Hand History for Game 5501161128 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 12, 22:24:06 ET 2006
Table Table 125884 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: pat_razz ( $216.76 )
Seat 2: virompl ( $184 )
Seat 4: istinkface ( $314.65 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $445.45 )
Seat 6: tusharz ( $170.10 )
Seat 3: Stackmeister ( $200 )
virompl posts small blind [$1].
Stackmeister posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9s Js ]
istinkface raises [$8]
HERO calls [$8]
tusharz folds.
pat_razz raises [$25]
virompl folds.
Stackmeister folds.
istinkface folds.
HERO calls [$17]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Kc, 5s ]
HERO checks.
pat_razz bets [$30]
HERO is all-In.
pat_razz folds.
HERO does not show cards.
HERO wins $508.45
Thanks for turning me into a maniac, you fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
As long as we're not playing the same games, it's fine :)
This is me after 40k hands at 6max 200NL/400NL:
Total: 20/16
BTN: 32/27.5
CO: 24.5/22
MP: 15/14
UTG: 11.9/11.3 (I limp call low pps with certain table dynamics)
BB: 12/6
SB: 22/12
I'm always making posts criticizing people? I'd really like to be shown proof of that, because I don't. And if I did, I almost always explain why I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
And I guess the second part of your post is supposed to be an insult or something, I really don't know/care (certainly seems dickish but from all your posts you seem to tend to have trouble communicating so it could mean something totally different).
If you want to look at why this hand is bad, put the 3 bettor on a range. If he actually has any legitimate hand preflop he's very likely calling. JJ-KK will look us up here a ton, and obviously any ace. Of a legit 3 betting range big aces and pairs are the majority of their range, even if this guy is 3 betting light he is going to have something here often. The biggest reason why I think this play sucks is because we're risking so much when we could risk way less for the same result. If you make any raise here and he has nothing he is going to fold, so why would you want to risk an extra 50bbs when a smaller raise does the exact same thing. Very very rarely will somebody make a bluff 4 bet all in here. And yes, you're going to be drawing pretty much dead when called here, which will be more often than you think.
I never posted stats, reads or anything and I was confident that he would fold anything that wasnt an ace or a boat. Dont make assumptions like that, especially when it is obvious that the hand wasnt posted to say "HAY GUYS LOOK AT MY AWESOME PLAY THAT YOU SHOULD DO AGAINST A STANDARD OPPONENT ALL TEH TIME," but yea, thats cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
Personally, I missed the nuance of your "But seriously" comment, and thought you WERE implying that this was some brilliant play.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy-akb
i just searched this forum for times you said the word 'horrible' and i got these:Quote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
"This is a really horrible hand."
"Betting is horrible."
"Flop minraise is horrible. "
"Wow, what's with that minraise preflop? No offense, but that's horrible. "
"Suggesting that I make a blocking bet and fold to a raise is a horrible play and makes little sense given stack sizes and previous bet sizes. "
"Check calling is terrible."
"Not going broke here without some sick mega read is terrible."
"Pushing is awful"
"Betting here is terrible in terms of risk/reward."
to me, saying horrible/terrible/awful seems too critical. maybe it was deserving in these posts, but i doubt it. i admit that i didn't go though all these and read the context, but i will say that i wouldnt have said anything in the first place if i hadn't been getting that 'vibe' from you. just like in the hand that was posted, he didnt mention any of the factors that made him think pushing was a good play and you tell him he played it horrible.
bottom line is i think you are too obstinate.
Perhaps the words "terrible" or "horrible" are not the best words to use, but they're standard for me and they really shouldn't be taken out of context or personally for that matter. Also, in all of those responses with the exception of the one in this thread where I said something was "horrible/terrible," I followed it up with clear reasons why I felt that way, usually several sentences long. It's not like I'm leaving some one liner reply calling somebody's play bad which I agree would be terrible (haha). I'll no longer use those words if you want, but I still think your reply was very rude and undeserving and to be honest I lost a lot of respect for you for what it's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
*sigh*
can we please get back to the posting of donkish-pushes in reriased pots whether they're posted for "educational" purposes, as thinly veiled brags or even simply "look at what a donk I am"?
It's just more fun. Like this! :
***** Hand History for Game 5596218539 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 18, 21:14:27 ET 2007
Table Table 127009 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: loveturn ( $539.10 )
Seat 3: yancanpoker ( $199 )
Seat 4: magda_maria ( $247.40 )
Seat 5: SpecTickle ( $190.20 )
Seat 6: Gandelph ( $104.40 )
Seat 2: HERO ( $216.25 )
HERO posts small blind [$1].
yancanpoker posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 6d 7d ]
magda_maria folds.
SpecTickle folds.
Gandelph folds.
HERO raises [$6]
yancanpoker raises [$17]
HERO calls [$12]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 6h, 5c ]
HERO checks.
yancanpoker bets [$29]
HERO raises [$77]
yancanpoker is all-In.
HERO calls [$103]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
HERO shows [ 6d, 7d ]two pairs, Kings and Sixes.
yancanpoker shows [ Qc, Qh ]two pairs, Kings and Queens.
yancanpoker wins $396 from the main pot with two pairs, Kings and Queens
Or even better yet... (cpl hands later vs same villain at same table) :
***** Hand History for Game 5596220497 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 18, 21:15:47 ET 2007
Table Table 127009 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: loveturn ( $539.10 )
Seat 3: yancanpoker ( $395 )
Seat 4: magda_maria ( $245.40 )
Seat 5: SpecTickle ( $200 )
Seat 6: Gandelph ( $109.05 )
Seat 2: HERO ( $198 )
magda_maria posts small blind [$1].
SpecTickle posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 5s 5h ]
Gandelph folds.
HERO raises [$7]
yancanpoker raises [$21]
magda_maria folds.
SpecTickle folds.
HERO calls [$14]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Jd, Jh ]
HERO checks.
yancanpoker bets [$32]
HERO raises [$77]
yancanpoker raises [$184]
HERO is all-In. (NOTICE THIS CALL. MASSIVELY +EV!!!)
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
yancanpoker shows [ Ks, Kh ]two pairs, Kings and Jacks.
HERO doesn't show [ 5s, 5h ]two pairs, Jacks and Fives.
yancanpoker wins $39 from side pot #1 with two pairs, Kings and Jacks.
yancanpoker wins $397 from the main pot with two pairs, Kings and Jacks.
I think these are clear examply of how to successfully "mix it up" in reraised pots.
For coaching inquiries, please pm me.
To Genitruc,
I'm glad I'm not the only player on this forum who spews (Obv this is a joke, because no one seems to post their spews)
Regarding aislephive,
I'm not trying to suck Gabe' dick here because I was thinking of saying this myself. Aisle you come off as really nasty a lot. Go ahead and take the stance as Chris Rock would say it "Its not me its the media" but Gabe's right, you can come off as a dick. I know you don't owe anyone anything but it would be probably better if you took less of a Bob Knight stance on your posting replies.
comon guys
less drama
MORE SPEWS
plz?
I haven't really even been posting that often lately, even if my posts are a little harsh (I think you guys are overreacting, but whatever) there is a lot of good content in what I post (or really bad content :P).Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I didn't get this 100 WPP title by making smart ass one liners without content.
Ok, back to the OP. Here are my stats:
Overall: 30.04/13.68
Button: 42.06/23.36
CO: 30/17.16
HJ: 23.68/14.04
UTG: 19.15/9.86
BB: 16.45/6.76
SB: 45.65/12.01
O RLYQuote:
Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
[insert owl here]
Uhm, I was at nl100 and 200 last fall and beating it at about 4ptbb, but now I'm at nl50 and beating it for about 6-7 (just moved back up.. sigh. looking for a stake :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by noble007
i spew like a motherfucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
You need to call less raise more. These are for cash and not MTTs correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprayed
I've seen 2:1 mentioned as "maximum" acceptable ratio. If you look, some of the successfully posters are awfully close to 1:1.
So, open limp less UTG (none?), probably almost completely eliminate your open limping hands from your UTG playing range. Call less from SB.
lol @ genitruc, I :clap: your effort
{EDIT: :oops:}
backwards, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Like Warpe asked, did you mean call less and raise more? I just realized that I didn't filter this down to only 6 handed but it really didn't change much. Mind you that I am just getting into the SHNL and was mainly playing SNGs and MTTs. So all the help and advise that I can get would be much appreciated. This is a very small sample size of like 4k hands and some of it includes the days long ago when I had no idea what I was doing. Currently, I am playing very few hands from the sb and trying to raise as often as I can when I decide to play a hand. Here are my stats for only 6 max.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Overall: 32.02/15.73
Button: 43.44/26.22
CO: 31.14/18.68
HJ: 24.89/15.15
UTG: 22.09/11.65
BB: 17.27/7.38
SB: 45.10/13.06
Genitruc: those 2 hands were horrible. I mean terribly awful.
Yeah, raise more and call less. You're def running too hot in the SB, imo, hotter than Genitruc and that's an accomplishment :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprayed
Since everyone else is doing it...
I'm splitting this into two groups, Dec 2006 and 2007. I had 17k hands at 50NL in Dec @ 8BB/100, only 6k hands @ -2.5BB/100
2006: 23.9/15.5
Btn: 33.4/23.1
CO: 26.0/17.8
HJ: 21.9/17.1
UTG: 15.1/14.8
BB: 15.4/7.8
SB: 32.0/13.3
I've turned a 2BB/100 profit from SB :shock:
2007: 30.0/19.4
BTN: 42.0/30.1
CO: 29.1/21.9
HJ: 22.4/18.0
UTG: 19.6/19.6
BB: 23.8/11.4
SB: 40.4/16.1
Here I'm turning a small profit from the BB (yeah variance) and a heavy looser from SB and CO. I did recognize the need to tighten up the SB calls. Also interesting that when I loosened up my HJ range barely changes, but everything else did fairly significantly.
OK -- this is all nice comparing positional stats, but important information is left out.
Over how many hands?
What is your win Rate with these stats?
What stakes are you playing?
wtf zenbitz villain obv had AQ in 1st hand I posted and AK in 2nd???!!!!!!!!
edit : when I spew, I put the "ew" in "spew"
Sorry Jay, you're right. The above stats are at £25/$50/£50/$100NL, over 55,000 hands with a winrate of 6.5PTBB/100.Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
My stats are over 42k hands between nl100 and 400 with winrate of 10.5 ptBB/100
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3...tatslq5.th.jpg
over 24k hands @ $10nl & $25nl with (after a horrible run the last 10k hands) a winrate of........
drumroll please........... -0.02ptBB/100 :clap: :clap: :clap:
overall: 18.92/12.72
Button: 24.26/16.18
CO: 20.02/15.24
MP: 15.21/11.40
UTG: 13.86/11.69
BB: 12.05/7.77
SB: 24.41/13.37
is this too loose (comparitively) from the SB? should i be raising/reraising less?
It would be pretty hypocritical of me to berate your "looseness" from the small blind.
One thing I would suggest is to make sure that you're raising/folding almost always HU (few exceptions) and not completing with rags when the button open-limps. Most of the time this is spewing .5BB.
Try limping from SB lots when there are lots of limpers already in and learning what flops are good to lead out at (besides flops where you make a monster, which are almost always fun to lead out at).
Sorry if this is obv stuff... To respond directly to your "raising/reraising less question" I'd say it depends on the villain.
For example, if the villain is a station it can be pretty -ev to 3 bet and always c-bet since lots of times he'll call and you'll be in a big pot OOP. So against that type of villain it's prob better to flat call and take him to value-town when you hit.
This could get long so if you're interested in discussing SB play let's start another thread!
http://geocities.com/donttapztank/ptstats.jpg
Despite my very tight raising in the blinds alot of my raising comes from restealing with hands I just don't want to fold to habitual blind stealers like AJs to a c/o raise which ppl on 2+2 recommend folding(nits) and reraising crap like 44/9Ts/KQo/64s etc.
I'm not sure who's stats are stranger : Andy's or NLHE's...Quote:
Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
Either way, both are winning players it seems.
Lol@poker
My stats...
UTG - 12.5/12.5
MP - 17.3/16.5
CO - 21/19
Button - 28.5/25
SB - 21/9
BB - 10.5/5.5
aint really about them wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
I was just channelling aisle anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc