Steal the split pot?

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01-31-2007, 12:23 PM
johnny_fish

Steal the split pot?

I don't have any specific reads but the table in general has been quite loose-passive. I'm playing Lag, 33/23 or something.

River push likey / no likey?

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 8:diamond: 6:diamond:
Hero raises to $80, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 5:heart: 4:diamond: 8:spade: ($190, 2 players)
Hero bets $120, CO raises to $275, Hero calls.

Turn: 7:spade: ($740, 2 players)
Hero bets $480, CO calls.

River: 6:heart: ($1700, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $1183
01-31-2007, 12:47 PM
IowaSkinsFan

i dont think he's folding so no.
01-31-2007, 12:57 PM
miracleriver

This is a dumb question (from a dumb player) but why are you so sure it is a split spot? Couldn't have villain played the same way with 99?
01-31-2007, 01:08 PM
Miffed22001

if opp called the turn with 99.... lol?
01-31-2007, 01:30 PM
ChrisTheFish

From his point of view... i think i'd put you on anything but a 9 and insta call, i don't mind a push, but i don't mind a check. Fold FTW :)
01-31-2007, 01:44 PM
miracleriver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if opp called the turn with 99.... lol?

Probably explains why I am loosing with 1 pair :(

So what kind of hands do you put villain on after his turn call?
01-31-2007, 01:57 PM
jackvance

Thing is.. if he has a 9 he is shoving the river and you have to call (right?) so might as well shove yourself and have some FE.

I personally love to try and steal split pots when I have position. If they check you're 100% sure they don't have the split beat so you only need to see a fold a low % of the time to beat the rake to be +EV..
01-31-2007, 02:37 PM
seoul_child1

With $800+ dollars in the pot already, i would definately not check, but i truly believe the only hand that calls a push is a 9. Why not value bet say $650 and make it "LOOK MORE" obvious that you have a 9 rather then push and put the opponent on "is he bluffing or bs" scenario... in my experiences the villain has always had the goods when i did this exact move!! Plus imo, i respect and fear the Value bet more than a Push here!!
01-31-2007, 02:39 PM
jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by seoul_child1

i truly believe the only hand that calls a push is a 9

That is exactly the thing you are trying to accomplish here.
02-01-2007, 11:46 AM
johnny_fish

Results (fwiw): Villain called with J:spade:9:spade:
02-01-2007, 12:17 PM
IowaSkinsFan

As i said, i dont think a lot of hands fold here, which is why i didn't like the push.
02-01-2007, 01:55 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Results (fwiw): Villain called with J:spade:9:spade:

can opp make money from the turn call?
02-01-2007, 06:17 PM
jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

As i said, i dont think a lot of hands fold here, which is why i didn't like the push.

What do you do if you check and villain shoves?..
02-02-2007, 11:42 AM
zenbitz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Results (fwiw): Villain called with J:spade:9:spade:

can opp make money from the turn call?

Can't he expect to have 15-21 outs here? double-gutshot + f/d + overs (well, 9's are probably not outs, but jacks could be).
nUnless hero has exactly 69, or better spade draw? Plus hero could have air. Does hero really always have a 6? I don't think so.
02-02-2007, 12:24 PM
seoul_child1

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

As i said, i dont think a lot of hands fold here, which is why i didn't like the push.

What do you do if you check and villain shoves?..

Very good point, NOW i see Johnny Fish's line...