KK 200BB deep... easier than it looks?

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03-20-2007, 06:11 PM
IowaSkinsFan

KK 200BB deep... easier than it looks?

opp is 22/14/1.8, never have seen him fourbet. kinda nitty.

PokerStars Game #9002921322: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/20 - 18:00:31 (ET)
Table 'Helma II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: redgrape ($207.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Yello man ($98.55 in chips)
Seat 3: EtOi ($103.65 in chips)
Seat 4: bcforrest ($108.85 in chips)
Seat 5: RichardAlmel ($18.35 in chips)
Seat 6: 2 4 da $$ ($249.20 in chips)
Yello man: posts small blind $0.50
EtOi: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ks Kh]
bcforrest: calls $1
RichardAlmel: calls $1
2 4 da $$: raises $3 to $4
redgrape: raises $11 to $15
Yello man: folds
EtOi: folds
bcforrest: folds
RichardAlmel: folds
2 4 da $$: raises $24 to $39
redgrape: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [2d Td 9h]
2 4 da $$: checks
redgrape: checks
*** TURN *** [2d Td 9h] [5h]
2 4 da $$: bets $210.20 and is all-in
redgrape said, "****"
redgrape: ???
03-20-2007, 06:55 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

I can't see myself calling here, although i want to.
03-20-2007, 08:39 PM
Irisheyes

call because of your flop check
03-20-2007, 08:50 PM
Alexos

I think this is AA/QQ that suddenly decided there were too many draws out there:P

I call because only AA beats me.
03-20-2007, 09:32 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

call because of your flop check

How much do you bet on the flop?
03-20-2007, 10:01 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

call because of your flop check

You think so? I think lots of players will check AA here trying to rep a missed AK, with the intention of raising. So I might check behind a flop like this as well.

I think QQ would probably bet this flop, since there are too many cards they dont wanna see: any diamond, and any A or K.

I'm not sure about this turn call. That is a HUGE bet. I think the best case here is we see AKdiamonds or AKhearts by villain. I can't see QQ or JJ checking this flop personally.

tough spot for sure. If villain is solid and see's you as solid, I personally can't see him wanting to get into a 200bb confrontation with you, without a very strong hand.
03-21-2007, 01:06 AM
Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

call because of your flop check

How much do you bet on the flop?

I'm not saying I do. I just think that you've induced a bluff from AK.
03-21-2007, 02:30 AM
UG

I think you need to bet on the flop. If he shoves you know *exactly* what he has and can probably fold, although I wouldn't hate a call.

His turn bet screams AA please call me KK/QQ/JJ.

This is one of those "you know he has aces" but "you still have to call" sort of hands.

Just call and spike a K on the river ftw.
03-21-2007, 04:02 AM
sauce123

I prolly fold as played but bet the flop
03-21-2007, 07:56 AM
Ravageur

yea imo this is a fold. Anything but AA or 10s don't make much sense. I don't see why this is a bluff...ever, and I don't think it's QQ enough to make this +ev

also, regarding those who say you should call because you checked flop, dont' you think that would just induce villain to make a non all-in bet to take down the pot (since according to your logic he thinks our hero in this hand is weak? and thus doesn't need that strong a bet to win the hand)
03-21-2007, 11:31 AM
IowaSkinsFan

I mean I checked the flop because I would understand a good opps reasoning in checking there with AA and I pretty much have to c/f if he call my bet.
03-21-2007, 01:32 PM
Alexos

So did u call..
03-21-2007, 03:51 PM
IowaSkinsFan

no
03-21-2007, 04:03 PM
Rondavu

If he shows weakness on a flop with Td 9d after 4 betting me preflop, I'm sticking it in.
03-21-2007, 04:10 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

If he shows weakness on a flop with Td 9d after 4 betting me preflop, I'm sticking it in.

Isn't this the exact reason why AA _would_ check the flop and show weakness, to get KK/QQ to stack off when they otherwise might not?

Especially if villain has AA with the Ad. He probably isn't worried about JQ for the straight draw after the preflop action, nor would he be worried about KQd. AKd would be the only legitimate hand here, but only if villain doesn't have the A of diamonds.
03-21-2007, 04:56 PM
mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

If he shows weakness on a flop with Td 9d after 4 betting me preflop, I'm sticking it in.

Why do you think T:diamond: 9:diamond: on the flop is relevant when OP's range is almost 100% pocket pairs?
03-21-2007, 05:09 PM
IowaSkinsFan

If im villan i check this flop everytime knowing there are barely ever scare cards coming and hero has KK 90% of the time, and i guess QQ 10%.
03-21-2007, 06:38 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

The way the opponent played this hand isn't good whatever he has.
03-21-2007, 10:02 PM
Ravageur

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

The way the opponent played this hand isn't good whatever he has.

Yeah I like his flop check but 2/3 pot on turn and 2/3 on river is probably one of the better lines to take.

Easy to say though when we know the other guy has KK.
03-21-2007, 10:14 PM
Genitruc

I snap-call but I'm a pay-off wizard.

I'm guessing your image is spewy-laggy so it makes this hand very difficult to fold esp after flop action.

Don't think a fold is terrible though.
03-21-2007, 10:46 PM
IowaSkinsFan

My image is tagg prob. I tend not to have a spewy lagg image now a days, but i still get action from those days lolz.
03-22-2007, 12:23 AM
Genitruc

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

My image is tagg prob. I tend not to have a spewy lagg image now a days, but i still get action from those days lolz.

then I think it's a tough fold