QQ to AI 5-bet (25NL)

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04-12-2007, 07:05 AM
taipan168

QQ to AI 5-bet (25NL)

Opp's HUD stats were 25/9/4.0 over 90 hands. Is this weak/tight?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($23.55)
MP2 ($35.45)
MP3 ($12.75)
CO ($27.45)
Button ($25.25)
SB ($26.55)
BB ($25.30)
UTG ($18.50)
Hero ($23.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 6 folds, BB raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $25.55, Hero folds.
04-12-2007, 07:16 AM
minSim

As played, fold.

I'd call villains RR and reevaluate on the flop. You have position.
04-12-2007, 09:29 AM
litetruck

agreed, his 2nd RR is 99% AA-KK
04-12-2007, 01:11 PM
JJDAMAN

Yup, relatively easy fold. I agree with this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by litetruck

agreed, his 2nd RR is 99% AA-KK

With the nearly min-raise and postition, I call and hope to spike a set, probably folding unless you have good postflop reads on him. When you hit, you'll stack him everytime.
04-12-2007, 01:17 PM
bigspenda73

Why would you ever 4bet a guy with those stats?
04-12-2007, 02:34 PM
Miffed22001

100% KK/AA. id probably call reraise in this game and lead any non-A/K flop folding if raised and thinking hard about how to play turn.
04-12-2007, 02:58 PM
Ash256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

100% KK/AA. id probably call reraise in this game and lead any non-A/K flop folding if raised and thinking hard about how to play turn.

Nice in theory, but how do we go about making real bets that aren't just autoraised by our opponents without pot-fucking ourselves? (e.g. accidentally handing ourselves 4:1 to his push on the turn)
04-12-2007, 03:30 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

100% KK/AA. id probably call reraise in this game and lead any non-A/K flop folding if raised and thinking hard about how to play turn.

Nice in theory, but how do we go about making real bets that aren't just autoraised by our opponents without pot-fucking ourselves? (e.g. accidentally handing ourselves 4:1 to his push on the turn)

we dont call, just because you have pot odds doesnt mean you have to call. We're trying to lose the least and win the most (with losing the least being the key here)
04-12-2007, 06:29 PM
taipan168

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Why would you ever 4bet a guy with those stats?

I didn't think that 25/9 was particularly tight. If his stats had been 6/2 or something that's entirely different.

Maybe this is too much SNG thinking, but the reason I 4-bet him was really to flush out whether he has AA or KK. If he flat calls there's a very good chance he has something like AK or JJ- and I can feel more confident on an undercards flop. If I flat call his 3-bet and the flop comes all unders and he checks I'm using the same $4-5 on the flop anyway. Is this wrong?
04-12-2007, 06:44 PM
bigspenda73

when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.

This is a tougher spot methinks, villian is 44/15 over 50 hands. Converter screwed it up a bit. I'm wondering if a fold here is ever correct.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($10.65)
SB ($26.60)
Hero ($41.57)
UTG ($33.88)
MP ($18.87)
CO ($24.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG folds, SB raises all-in, Hero says %$#%#%%#%
04-12-2007, 06:47 PM
JJDAMAN

If that's why you 4 bet, than it's good reasoning, still not necessarily the best play though. If that is why you 4 bet (to find out where you're at), than it should be an easy fold right?
04-12-2007, 08:50 PM
WildBobAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.

This is a tougher spot methinks, villian is 44/15 over 50 hands. Converter screwed it up a bit. I'm wondering if a fold here is ever correct.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($10.65)
SB ($26.60)
Hero ($41.57)
UTG ($33.88)
MP ($18.87)
CO ($24.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG folds, SB raises all-in, Hero says %$#%#%%#%

Easy call with those stats.
04-12-2007, 09:00 PM
Miffed22001

folding KK preflop for 100bbs is correct 0.5% of the time, and probably not even that at anything below 200nl.
04-12-2007, 09:03 PM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.

This is a tougher spot methinks, villian is 44/15 over 50 hands. Converter screwed it up a bit. I'm wondering if a fold here is ever correct.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($10.65)
SB ($26.60)
Hero ($41.57)
UTG ($33.88)
MP ($18.87)
CO ($24.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG folds, SB raises all-in, Hero says %$#%#%%#%

Easy call with those stats.

Yea, I know I called and you know what he flipped over. Funny thing was the same situation had happened like 30 minutes earlier with a different opp with similar stats holding 55 (wtf I know).
04-13-2007, 12:49 AM
taipan168

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.

Good explanation, thanks a lot, very helpful. Gee I have a lot to learn about cash games :(