$10NL set play

I'd welcome comments on all aspects of my play here especially the river. Thanks

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.50
UTG+1: $7.23
MP1: $6.35
MP2: $25.71
Hero: $10.05
Button: $8.26
SB: $13.02
BB: $10.85

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with 4 :heart: 4 :club:
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.2, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: A :spade: 4 :spade: 5 :spade: ($1.05, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: 2 :heart: ($4.15, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls, BB folds.

River: 6 :heart: ($10.15, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $5.85, Button calls all-in $4.06.
Uncalled bets: $1.79 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $18.27

ummmmm dont get it all in on the river if you dont have to. Probably a check/call situation since you are getting pretty good odds on a call.

either make it 3bb preflop or call. Dont minraise. Anyone calling 2bbs is calling 3bbs too.
This board is not good for a set, you need an ubergood read that a set is good on that board.

don't forget that people are super passive at 10NL. Them calling doesn't narrow their range much (had someone raised you need to be very careful).

I check turn, as played def check river

Thanks guys, I got stubborn here was having a bad session. Should definitely have slowed down. Was betting into a flopped flush.

1. NEVER RAISE 44 with LIMPERs... u lose so much EV here.
2. Why min raise PreFlop? They are gonna call u all day long even the dozen+ other times you miss the set.
3. Min bet on flop from villian suggest FD/already made flush n looking for callers to build pot. I'd do the same as you did except raise it to $1.50-2.00 (pending reads). Hoping he folds maybe thinking we have a better kicker.
4. check turn n river. You got your pot up with raise of flush board. No need to donate more. Call if you have the implied odds to hit FH.

After the flop raise being called I would be very leary here. Definetely check the turn, and check call small amount on the river.

Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.

NEVER RAISE 44 with LIMPERs... u lose so much EV here.

Wait, what

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Originally Posted by Pants_101

Flop: A :spade: 4 :spade: 5 :spade: ($1.05, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls

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This lets you know that bottom set on this board isn't ahead. No way unsuited Ks is calling a stiff raise like that. Can't blame you for wanting to show this hand down, but slow down on the turn.

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Originally Posted by drtofu66

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Originally Posted by Pants_101

Flop: A :spade: 4 :spade: 5 :spade: ($1.05, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls

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This lets you know that bottom set on this board isn't ahead. No way unsuited Ks is calling a stiff raise like that. Can't blame you for wanting to show this hand down, but slow down on the turn.

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I disagree completely. Do you understand how donkeyish most of these guys are?!

If I'm holding a set on a 3 to a flush flop, I bascially never give anyone (except for a few super nits) credit for a flopped flush and try and get it all in ASAP. I think that he played this well apart from preflop.

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Originally Posted by Pants_101

Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.

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If you want to raise, make a good stiff raise. That gives you 3 ways to win the pot.
1)Preflop
2)With a cbet on the flop
3)If you hit

Forget this pot sweetening crap. All you're doing is eliminating 1 and 2 since you will have too many players in the hand.

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Originally Posted by biondino

NEVER RAISE 44 with LIMPERs... u lose so much EV here.

Wait, what

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I was thinking about this earlier.... you got 4 players in the pot. You hit your set but potential flush on the board. You're in late postion..... why not just put in a standard raise of $0.60 pre-flop. You might get limpers to fold, get the button to fold his suited connector??, gain position, and have postion on the flop. Hmmm....

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Originally Posted by ShowMeAtlas

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Originally Posted by Pants_101

Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.

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If you want to raise, make a good stiff raise. That gives you 3 ways to win the pot.
1)Preflop
2)With a cbet on the flop
3)If you hit

Forget this pot sweetening crap. All you're doing is eliminating 1 and 2 since you will have too many players in the hand.

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I see what you're saying and I think your advice is often good. However I'm wondering what is the play that gives me the best chance of winning a big pot with a small pp. To my mind hitting a set with lots of players in the pot is better than with only 1 opp as there is more chance someone hits a hand that they want to continue with. And if I have built the pot a little pf then all subsequent bets are bigger making it easier to win more. Of course on this board I should have been more circumspect, but I still think generally the pot sweetening play is defensible. Interested to hear what others think. If it had been folded to me I would raise the pair to $0.4 or so and I would be looking to win PF or with a c-bet as you say Atlas.