Interesting hand from my casino trip

OK, I am playing in a 2/2 game. Max buy in is 200 dollars and we are 9 handed.
Villain is playing decent poker for this casino. He is tight and only plays quality hands, his postflop play is only decent, I think he definantly could stack off with one pair hands.

I am in late position with :ad: :jd: and bump it up to 10 dollars. Villain completes from the big blind and we are in a 3 way pot.

Flop comes :ah: :9h: :tc: and I bet 20. Opponent behind me folds and Villain check- calls.

Turn peels off :as: pot is now about 70. I bet 45 dollars and Villain once again check-calls. Alarm bells start going off now, what is he smooth calling every street with? He knows I have been playing pretty aggressive.

River is a blank and I check it to Villain who thinks a bit and bets 50 dollars.


What do I do here? I am getting 4-1 on my money, I have never seen villain bluff before. The only thing I really beat here is a busted flush draw. It almost seems more of a value bet to me. The only hand I beat is A8....

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

River is a blank and I check it to Villain who thinks a bit and bets 50 dollars.

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I'm assuming you mean that Villain leads out for $50 here?

Either way. His river bet and play up to this point smells horrible, and it isn't hard to find a fold here. BUT, he also very well could've been floating up to this point and knows that you are an aware player who would recognize this as a value bet. This is a crying call for me, and I half expect a boat or stronger Ace, and also half expect a busted FD or Air...

Tough spot.

Chris

Yea I meant villain leads.

I'm a micro-stakes online player, but I've played the 1/2 beginners games in Vegas so maybe what follows isn't total garbage (but I make no promises)...

He's tight, but your read is that he knows you've been aggressive. Someone this tight vs an aggro could have QQ or JJ as much as AQ/AK IMHO. Plus if he decides he wants to defend his blind vs you, he could be doing this with any A or PP. It's live, so I imagine you don't know how much he floats but if he's kind of bad post-flop, might he be doing this with a small/middle pair? His river bet may look like a value bet because he may think it is if he puts you on KK or QQ and he has A4 (or he's repping the A putting you on JJ-KK). Maybe that's why he didn't raise you earlier. And if he has a set, why not raise the flop or turn? A heart will kill his action (though you did say he was bad post flop...).

Maybe I'm just being fishy, but I cry a little and call the river. 4-1 and there are too many hands that he could be doing this with (Ax, JJ/QQ and to a lesser extent, busted FD, any small PP). You kept the pot relatively small so I'd pay off the $50 to go to SD. If you lost at SD, it was his mistake not to raise you earlier and/or not put you all in on the river.

Um, easiest call ever in a typical casino game. Tougher question is to raise or not.

Difficult. He doesn't call you PF with ATo I wouldn't think, and he doesnt check the flop with A9s. AQ and AK are strong possibilities, but so are KK or QQ if he read your raise on trip aces as a bluff. If he did think this, your check on the river might have reinforced him? I dunno I fold here I think.

insta-call. You may be overthinking someone who plays flush draws poorly and although the bet sounds more like a value, he may be thinking you whiffed and he can pick it up. Villain could easily have KQh, J10h or even JJ

Now, you may be beat but I think it's much too tight to fold here when you are 4-1. If he does have AK, I don't see why he isn't raising flop (especially on a draw-heavy board) or on turn. I think most likely you have the best hand, unless he likes to do weird slowplays that barely get paid off.

Smacks of a blocking bet which indicates to me that he didn't hit his kicker and is somewhat fearful that you hit yours.
I think a set turned FH check-raises hard on the turn to make sure all the money gets in, or at minimum leads for more on the river. I think AT plays similarly and either of these hands might even be more aggressive on the flop.
KK and less will fold the turn to continued aggression I think.
And though very often a check-call, check-call line is a draw - almost never will this type of player blocking-bet the river with a missed draw.

I agree with spenda...I don't think there's any question that you call here.
The bigger issue is - will he fold AK/AQ if you reraise all-in on the river.

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

..., I think he definantly could stack off with one pair hands...

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So your read says that he won't fold if you push the river. If I was in doubt, I'm not gonna try it so I'd just call and payoff his light-played AQ/AK. There's some chance of a split or that he has a weaker kicker than you do as well. Since I think those types of hands could easily take a line similar to villain's here, I don't think you can throw away your hand in this sized pot just because of the possibility of his having AK/AQ.

So I'm voting for a call and expect to see him flip AK/AQ.

A lot of good responses here, thanks guys. I wound up showing him my cards and he looked pretty comfortable and after thinking for a while I layed the hand down. Villain showed Jh Th. Good bluff.

LOL

Dude, if you check and induce a bluff you have to call. Seriously man, you have trips in a casino game, Im going broke with that hand.

yea, probalby should have called with the odds i was getting....i just couldnt think of a hand i really beat here except the busted FD and I did not think he would make that play 1 out of 4 times. IDK, that nite going back over the hand I thought I should have called but its whatever. Just got file that one away in the memory banks.

It's not really even about pot odds.

Checking the river shows weakness, you're not weak, therefore we'd like him to bet. We just need to call once he does so.

I made a mistake in my original posting that I corrected in my 2nd post. Since he was in the bb he lead out into me for 50, he did not check. I don't think that changes much anyways but its a clarification.

It's a call. Only hands I see getting played this way (that beat you) are AK or AQ. This guy could have all sorts of shlt here. 4:1 is too good. If this guy's post-flop skills were terrible he'd prob c/r on the turn with an ace like every other donk that tries to scare you away when they have the best hand.

BTW I don't fault anyone who stacks off AJ to AQ/AK when AAxxx comes. It's like stacking KK to AA. In that case, luck kicked u in the nuts. Call.

I also second anyone who says this guy is raising AK outta BB.