JJ OOP ($25NL)

It's the turn I'm wondering about here. OOP I'm not crazy about building the pot so I check is this ok on this board? I figure the river is worth betting for value and to stop him bluffing the str8 if he doesn't have anything because a big bet would be tough to call. Is this reasonable play?

cheers all

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5
UTG+1: $14.95
MP1: $25.73
CO: $35.39
Button: $4.65
Hero: $29.25
BB: $26.70

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J :heart: J :club:
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.1, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: 6 :heart: 2 :diamond: 7 :heart: ($6.45, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 calls.

Turn: 9 :club: ($14.45, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: 8 :diamond: ($14.45, 2 players)
Hero bets $8

Im torn on the river play. I think inducing a bluff could be better than value betting. However, you lose control of the size of bet you would like going into the pot if you do this. As far as the turn goes it's a weird spot, villain could just be calling with two overcards or he has a flush draw. If you do bet the river be prepared to fold to any kind of raise.

Grats on moving up to $25nl, looks like you learned to bet enough :wink:

You should definitely bet the turn. I'd just c/c the river since i doubt TP or worse is calling here.

He'll get looked up much more on the river than he should due to his turn check.

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

He'll get looked up much more on the river than he should due to his turn check.

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Yes I've noticed this, I get called with A high and all sorts sometimes when I've checked a turn. Some compensation for playing more weakly OOP maybe.

Glad to have reached the dizzy heights of 25nl anyway, even if it's funded by sng winnings, now I just have to stay here ;-)

You have to bet this turn. There are tons of cards that will wreck your hand.

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Originally Posted by Pants_101

It's the turn I'm wondering about here. OOP I'm not crazy about building the pot so I check...

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If you don't want to play bloated pot OOP, then don't triple the potsize by 3betting. If you were on CO or button and had some knowledge about MP's opening range, then it's different (and huge EV) situation. In SB with only one player yet to act, you can just call, and if you get it to heads-up (BB will fold his hand like 80% of the time)- take away "preflop raiser's initiative" on good or fair flop by strong lead. If he's fairly straightforward (like most 25NL regulars) , he'll tell you "i think my AA/QQ is good" story right away on flop.

Save those 3bets for annoying lagtards, when you are OOP (then play it for stacks on good flop) or do it in position, when you have much more info and control over pot escalation.

Thanks all. I 3 bet pf to try and take the pot down right there and not have to play OOP. It didn't work. Vrax you recommend just calling in this spot, anyone else have thoughts on it? I can see the wisdom in betting the turn, villain has done nothing to make me believe I'm behind. How much would you bet here - $10? If he'd called that I guess c/c on the blank river is the play.

The PF play is definitely debatable, as you will find JJ to be one of the hardest hands to play. Over 60% of the time a Q, K, or A shows up on the flop, and this is why it's being reccomended that you play smaller pots with it. It's probably easier to just call with JJ at this point, and as you get more comfortable playing it perhaps throwing a re-raise in pf.

I think you bet $10 on the turn.

I don't like the river play because of opp did make a straight, you have a tough call to make with half your stack in the pot. I c/c. What sucks is that a pair of 10s would probably follow you this whole way and spike the straight on the river. Sometimes the cards just aren't polite.

On a slightly different topic are people more inclined to re-raise pf in position or oop? I've heard arguments that say re-raise pf oop to try to win immediately and just call in position to use that advantage to extract more money. On the other hand I also hear keep pots small oop and build them big in position...