AK, good flop

Is this over-aggression? What are your thoughts?

Stage #795766622 Tourney ID 1723315 Holdem Sit & Go Multi Table Tournament No Limit $20 - 2007-06-24 23:21:08 (ET)
Table: 4 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 - REDHEAD666 ($1870 in chips)
Seat 2 - DRHANSEN20 ($1450 in chips)
Seat 3 - WALKSFAR 2 ($1460 in chips)
Seat 4 - WEAREBZR ($1470 in chips)
Seat 5 - VHAWK29 ($1470 in chips)
Seat 6 - MRGAMBLE777 ($1620 in chips)
Seat 7 - DOCDON52637 ($1280 in chips)
Seat 8 - UNIBOMBER14 ($1380 in chips)
Seat 9 - SIL227 ($1500 in chips)
UNIBOMBER14 - Posts small blind $10
SIL227 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to UNIBOMBER14 [Kd Ah]
REDHEAD666 - Calls $20
DRHANSEN20 - Folds
WALKSFAR 2 - Calls $20
WEAREBZR - Folds
VHAWK29 - Folds
MRGAMBLE777 - Folds
DOCDON52637 - Folds
UNIBOMBER14 - Raises $70 to $80
SIL227 - Calls $60
REDHEAD666 - Calls $60
WALKSFAR 2 - Calls $60
*** FLOP *** [4h Ad Ac]
UNIBOMBER14 - Checks
SIL227 - Checks
REDHEAD666 - Bets $80
WALKSFAR 2 - Folds
UNIBOMBER14 - Raises $300 to $300
SIL227 - Folds
REDHEAD666 - Folds
UNIBOMBER14 - returned ($220) : not called

Thank God I finally found out how to get HH's from AP. Thanks again drtofu.

First of all, post this in the SNG forum.

Second of all the raise is too big if you are going to raise. The board is so dry so raising makes it look like you have an Ace. At the most I might minraise. If he has an Ace you're getting all the money in anyways, right? So why not then try to get as much out of 55-KK as possible all the while still stacking Ax on later streets.

You can post this here, it's fine. We know how to play SnGs, and this is a general forum.

Raise to 100 preflop. On the flop, I wouldn't check/raise. I would bet out around half the pot and see if someone calls or raises, thinking you're full of shit. Once you check/raise, I don't think you're getting anything out of anyone anymore (unless someone has an ace, obviously). I wouldn't min raise either, because that looks too much like an ace. So bet it, don't slow play it. There's so many people in the pot, you'll almost always get a call or a raise.

I agree exactly with courtie... 100 is the ideal pf raise and on the flop the correct play is to bet out about 1/2 the pot. With the amount of people still in the pot, there is a chance someone will call with some garbage or a medium pp.

I dont mind a check/call on the flop then try to get the money in on the turn. Frankly its one of those flops thats going to be hard to extract many chips from unless someone thinks you're bluffing.

would anybody "float" here?

board is SOOOOO dry.

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Originally Posted by Chopper

would anybody "float" here?

board is SOOOOO dry.

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floating is calling a c-bet with the intent of bluffing to take it down on a later street.

With this Hero has the 2nd nuts and will not have to bluff to take it down.

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Originally Posted by Zee Devee

With this Hero has the 2nd nuts and will not have to bluff to take it down.

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3rd. But who's counting ;)

my interpretation (wrong mind you) of floating is only check/calling until a later street when you drop the bomb to pick up the hand.

besides, i missed the 2nd A on the flop...thought there was only one...oops.

still think a check/call is in order..unless there are no aggros at the table who will stab at the board. in which case, you arent getting squat on this hand...it will fold around.

If you check/call, are you going to check again on the turn? Because then he will just check behind,and then you'll value bet it on the river. And whether he folds or calls, you're winning a small pot.

Bet bet bet bet

thx guys

and courtie :)

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Originally Posted by courtiebee

If you check/call, are you going to check again on the turn? Because then he will just check behind,and then you'll value bet it on the river. And whether he folds or calls, you're winning a small pot.

Bet bet bet bet

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no, if he checks behind, i grab the lead. i only want to give him one chance to bluff when i am rather certain i have a big lead. cant miss too much value. ;)

What?

If he checks behind, you only have one more street to get money. So you bet OOP and hope he calls the river. How is this better?

you asked me if he checks behind, "do i check 'again' on the turn?" that indicates you have two more streets coming, right? checking "again" on the turn, then the river round.

i was saying i check the flop (if he bets, i may raise, but i may "float" (as i use the term loosely) and only call.). however, if he checks behind me...on the flop...i will grab the lead on the turn. i dont want to slowplay myself into oblivion.

however, if he bets, and i call...i may (prolly not) do it again on the turn, but i will most certainly lead the river...as not to miss another bet.

with the paired A and no real connectivity, i feel you can take a chance here and slow it down a bit...hope he spends off some chips. however, you dont want to take this very far...you hold a strong, but still a bit vulnerable hand, and dont want to allow free draws.

since any other A is coming along to the river, you dont want them to pair their kicker for free. but, by checking and not raising the flop, you may induce the chance to c/r the turn on a weaker holding like a pp. if it works, you may get the stack off the two pairs out there.

to me, thats what you are going for. you want to bring in as many weaker 2 pair hands as possible...another trip A isnt going anywhere...he is not your concern as far as extracting chips, imo.

Chopper, I was referring to your call on the flop. If you call the flop, he will check behind on the turn if he does not have an ace.

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Originally Posted by courtiebee

Chopper, I was referring to your call on the flop. If you call the flop, he will check behind on the turn if he does not have an ace.

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maybe, but then you overbet the river and make it look like a bluff.

dont get me wrong, this isnt the line i run 75+% of the time and it depends on whether i feel the opponent will allow me to get tricky. but sometimes you gotta get goofy with scary boards when you hold the goods.

if villain will bluff, you get tricky, sometimes tricky is betting out, too, but a lot of the time, i will let him take the lead. if hes a rock, i bet into him small, and try my best to string him along. with standard players, or no reads, i just play it straight away and bet out 2/3ish.

but no matter, it was just something to do on rare occasion...trying different lines is the only way to learn what will work, and what will not.

i swear i dont even know what i will do sometimes...i think i got monkeys juggling knives in my head... ;)