QQ AI on co-ordinated 3 way flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($97)
BB ($41.80)
Hero ($132.40)
MP ($64.55)
CO ($160.85)
Button ($102.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6, BB raises to $37.8, Hero calls $31.80, SB raises to $93, Hero calls $55.20.

Turn: ($235.80) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)

River: ($235.80) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)

Final Pot: $235.80


I feel I have to call BB because he's short and it's only a lil over a PSB. But what do we do then about SB? Push over, or call?

Anyone fold this to BB, or SB?

I'm sick of making big laydowns.

half pot for flop bet? i find that's a bit too weak.

anyways, i don't think calling the flop raise is a good idea...it should be push or fold....mainly because villain is pushing any card on the turn given the pot size.

I pot this flop because it's so draw heavy and fold to BB's raise and certainly against SB's raise.

Tough hand. No reads? I def c-bet $10-$12. And I'm probably pushing over BB's c/r. If SB is slow-playing a set or str8 on this board multi-way, good for him, you'll get your money back later.

I'd have folded after I saw a cold call and a raise.

yeah, I think $9 was the right bet on flop.
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wow, jack and mini you both fold to BB's push? Keep in mind BB is a short stack, they love to push mediocre hands. We're not worried about BB, it is SB who we are scared of. Mini, you should never ever fold to a shorty HU, but there is action behind me in this situation.

moving on - what's wrong with cold-calling BB's raise? Say BB puts us on AK or a draw with a weaker overpair like 99, 10-10, that would be a reason to push for them. I doubt BB has a set, why would a set just open push here? Shorties just love to push anyway, he could even just have a pair+OESD

I think we're ahead of BB at this point. I put BB on an overpair, and I think SB is drawing. Why push SB out of pot when we have most likely the best hand? Pushing kicks out weaker hands than us, and stronger hands call. Losing value IMO by pushing.

Now, when SB pushes over, maybe we're beat. But now we have so much money in the pot, there is no way I'm folding.

I haven't really heard a good reason *why* anyone is folding to BB. What range do you put BB on?

also, I haven't heard a good reason why we're pushing after BB pushes. Do we not want SB to call with hands weaker than us, and only call with stronger hands?

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Originally Posted by mixchange

also, I haven't heard a good reason why we're pushing after BB pushes. Do we not want SB to call with hands weaker than us, and only call with stronger hands?

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The problem is that you aren't really ahead of any hands that call BB's raise. At best you're flipping with a draw, and against two draws, you're equity goes down to ~30%. Assuming you're never folding in this hand, by pushing you gain equity whenever SB folds and charge him the maximum if he decides to call with a draw.

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Originally Posted by mixchange

Now, when SB pushes over, maybe we're beat. But now we have so much money in the pot, there is no way I'm folding.

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I don't think our equity is all that hot against what he's repping.

ok, results plus % vs. possible hands:

Actual
bb has 67 (no club draw) 32%
sb has 34 (no club draw) 28%
Me: 38%
I guess its pretty close but it was all "correct". I won the hand. Still not sure if it was the right call in general

if:
bb has 1010: 4%
sb has 89cc: 42%
me: 51%

if
bb: 77 24%
sb : AKc 47%
me: 27%



With $24 in the pot I think its criminal to fold to BB here. I don't think normally it ends up SB pushes over us and usually folds. But if SB had a marginal hand, I wanted him to play

this is really close, im not sure if I made the right play, I am just tired of big laydowns

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Originally Posted by mixchange

sb has 34 (no club draw) 28%

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I think you got very lucky here that SB is such a donk! Very rarely will you see a hand that is this bad after SB's over push. If you have a read that SB is a donk, then I don't mind calling his push, but I'm not sure how often we'll be ahead there.