this was awkward...

BB is usually loose/passive, but i've seen him pull an all in double barrel semi bluff before.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($424.10)
Button ($376)
SB ($629.65)
BB ($208.70)
Hero ($411.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB calls $12, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($42) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $32, SB folds, BB calls $32.

Turn: ($106) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...

BB just has $163 left. i bet, but wasnt sure of the amount, and if i want to call a c/r.

I agree this line is weird... but i just cant call here.

If you had better reads, its possible, but without anything solid I fold here.

i guess it looked like he shoved the turn, but i edited - it was just checked to me.

i was thinking either check behind, bet smallish (call a push?), or bet big and call a push.

90 call shove

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Originally Posted by sauce123

90 call shove

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really? you're comfortable stacking off TPGK vs a loose passive?

I can't see us not betting here and there's no way we're folding to a minraise shove so yeah.

i d bet pot and call a shove

what's wrong with checking behind? besides giving a free card?

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

what's wrong with checking behind? besides giving a free card?

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giving a free card isn't great since soooo many cards can help villain's range

if board was dry it'd be ok but so much of villain's range is pair + str8 draw and 9x which all have 10ish+ outs vs our hand

also, at this point I'd say pot is big enough to be worth protecting.

hyper- if we check behind its wit the intention of folding to any bet on almost any river... so giving up basically

why would we check? tons of worse hands call lets not be a nit.

i guess this was fine then - i bet $75 intending to call a push, and after a few seconds, they folded.

damn benny u r a baller

Who else pots the flop?

Well Played...

I'm a wimp though, I check behind, I'm not risking 50bb's on tpgk vs a loose passive when I can wait to value bet stronger.
(When top pair is an 8 on a 678 board.)

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i guess this was fine then - i bet $75 intending to call a push, and after a few seconds, they folded.

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Does this hand playout the same or differently if he check-raises the flop. You still willing to stack off here?

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Who else pots the flop?

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not me. I dont want to build it too much when there are so many scarecards that can come. 3/4 is strong enough and gets enough value but still keeps the pot a reasonable size.

if your plan on turn blank with a draw heavy board is to check Hyper, you might as well open-fold on the flop.

Definitely a weird spot. I think 90/callshove is fine. I probably fold j8s pf in that position though. I would play it in CO.

Lots of people will call a flop bet if they caught a piece, thinking original raiser probably missed not putting benny on top pair. So we have to bet turn here, lots of hands call flop even with nothing.

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Who else pots the flop?

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not me. I dont want to build it too much when there are so many scarecards that can come. 3/4 is strong enough and gets enough value but still keeps the pot a reasonable size.

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I think hero is more often ahead here then behind and a potsized bet is called just as often as a 3/4 bet. Therefor I'd pot it. Like to hear more thoughts why it is bad though.

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Who else pots the flop?

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not me. I dont want to build it too much when there are so many scarecards that can come. 3/4 is strong enough and gets enough value but still keeps the pot a reasonable size.

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I think hero is more often ahead here then behind and a potsized bet is called just as often as a 3/4 bet. Therefor I'd pot it. Like to hear more thoughts why it is bad though.

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Its not just about being ahead though. Its about being ahead and being playable. Being ahead now and betting before giving up on a card that missed both of us sucks alot. Being in position protects us from most of this but we can still check behind on the turn and then face a tough river bet OR be forced to make a turn bet of our own that we arent really happy with. I dont particularly want to play a big pot with this hand so I wont go out of my way to build one.

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i guess this was fine then - i bet $75 intending to call a push, and after a few seconds, they folded.

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Does this hand playout the same or differently if he check-raises the flop. You still willing to stack off here?

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that'd be tough. good chance id call an all in c/r but fold to a small one...but folding to any c/r is prob best.

pelion good point. makes me think how this all started pre flop.
i forget why i raised, its not like standard utg for me...

yeah, thats the problem with raising with a lot of players behind you with an awkward hand like j8. I would have just dumped it. I would waise J8, but only in CO or button.

I like pelion's advice, pot control with a marginal hand is important, no sense in bloating to the point where we have to call a push with top pair and an 8 kicker.