Getting complicated w/TT

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07-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Warpe

Getting complicated w/TT

No real reads, BB is fairly new to table. I was sitting out and missed the hand he doubled up on:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($44.85)
SB ($13.65)
BB ($97.90)
Hero ($59.30)
MP ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero ???
07-06-2007, 04:35 PM
NLHE lahooozaher

set mine, I'm going to say this isn't a squeeze given the very small reraise.
07-06-2007, 05:43 PM
Warpe

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero calls $3.75, MP calls $3.75, SB raises to $12, BB raises to $24.5, Hero ???
07-06-2007, 05:47 PM
holdin2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpe

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero calls $3.75, MP calls $3.75, SB raises to $12, BB raises to $24.5, Hero ???

Looks like an easy fold to me.
07-06-2007, 07:09 PM
Da GOAT

i still call, i see small stacks still call PF instead of shoving and if they do and BB calls your still getting set odds.
07-06-2007, 07:15 PM
|~|ypermegachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

i still call, i see small stacks still call PF instead of shoving and if they do and BB calls your still getting set odds.

the problem is you're not closing the action. SB already CC/4bet...you can't rule out a shove.
07-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Da GOAT

didnt see the added PF part, thought warpe was pasting it again to point out shorties
07-06-2007, 07:24 PM
|~|ypermegachi

lol, i didn't see SB only had $13...MP has $10. so we actually do close the action...

still don't think we can call. i'd rather push than call here....which means i fold.
07-06-2007, 07:37 PM
Da GOAT

easy fold then in the end
07-06-2007, 07:41 PM
IowaSkinsFan

nh and yeah fold.
07-07-2007, 11:10 AM
Warpe

I shoved.

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero calls $3.75, MP calls $3.75, SB raises to $12, BB raises to $24.5, Hero raises to $65.3 (All-In), MP calls $4 (All-In), SB calls $3.90 (All-In),

BB: Damn!!!!
BB has 15 seconds left to act
BB calls $41.30.

Flop: ($156.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: ($156.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($156.50) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $156.50

Results in white below:
BB has Ah Kh (one pair, sevens).
Hero has Ts Td (two pair, tens and sevens).
MP has As Jh (one pair, sevens).
SB has Js Ac (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $156. BB wins $0.49.
07-07-2007, 11:23 AM
sauce123

warpe- dont be results oriented
07-07-2007, 11:35 AM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

warpe- dont be results oriented

I'm not. Think about it. We're obviously felting against the shorties, so the only one we're worried about is BB, and his preflop betting pattern makes no sense for an overpair. That's what occurred to me at the time anyway.
07-07-2007, 12:33 PM
JeffreyGB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

warpe- dont be results oriented

I'm not. Think about it. We're obviously felting against the shorties, so the only one we're worried about is BB, and his preflop betting pattern makes no sense for an overpair. That's what occurred to me at the time anyway.

Reraising at every juncture in a multiway pot doesn't make sense for an overpair? Huh?
07-07-2007, 12:37 PM
|~|ypermegachi

yeah, i don't see how you can rule out overpairs from BB's preflop action.

anyways, if we were BB with AK, are we snap calling? should we be discounting outs?
07-07-2007, 05:57 PM
Fnord

I LOVE IT

GAMB00000000000L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07-08-2007, 04:18 AM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffreyGB

Reraising at every juncture in a multiway pot doesn't make sense for an overpair? Huh?

It doesn't make sense to make a weaksauce 3-bet followed by a 5-bet minraise holding an overpair with that much dead money in the pot. If he has an overpair he's playing it very badly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

yeah, i don't see how you can rule out overpairs from BB's preflop action.

No, I agree, we can't rule them out completely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

anyways, if we were BB with AK, are we snap calling? should we be discounting outs?

I don't know if discounting his outs occurred to him at the time but it did to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

GAMB00000000000L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly. By the time the action gets back to me the pot's too bloated to fold a good made hand. We have to gamble here unless we're absolutely sure BB has us beat.