88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG

Villain is a 24/20, 5 AF in about a 300 hand sample. I haven't seen him pull anything out of the ordinary.

My image is loose and aggro. He probably sees me as a pretty light three bettor.

I think his range here is skewed to TT-66, small percentage bluffs, small percentage 44-22, and small percentage QQ-AA or better.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($193.80)
SB ($396)
Hero ($400)
UTG ($434)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $56, UTG calls $40.

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $58, UTG raises to $378, Hero calls $286 (All-In).

Turn: ($836) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($836) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $836

obv this is really close given your correct in what your opponent thinks of you. Idk I probably fold but I'm a nit, I feel weird about threebetting though if I do.

Christ, I'd really rather be the one shoving here than the one calling. He's UTG too ;/

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Christ, I'd really rather be the one shoving here than the one calling. He's UTG too ;/

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yeah but it's 4-handed so it's essentially the CO.

ah true..

still fold ;/

you dont think he ever has 5x ?

Standard.

seems ok to me, just have to have a strong read.

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you dont think he ever has 5x ?

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yeah i didn't really think of A5, 56, 45, and 57 much. That makes it a way easier call.

i dont get y he would be shoving marginal made hands...

it seems more likely he shoves JJ+ AK AQ or somethin

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Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $58

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Why?

Why not

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $88

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Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $58

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Why?

Why not

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $88

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There are no draws and barely any implied.

Gabe i'd be really happy if you let me know what you think of this hand.

max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt

i call preflop 80% of the time, maybe more

i bet more on flop, at least 75 probably, then u gotta call if your image is "loose and aggro"

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max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt

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seconded. If i pulled this move with 22 i'd consider it that i was tilting.

This game is just not aggressive enough to merit many 99-66 shoves.

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max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt

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seconded. If i pulled this move with 22 i'd consider it that i was tilting.

This game is just not aggressive enough to merit many 99-66 shoves.

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i don't think it was to do with the aggressiveness of the games. When two loose and aggressive players are against eachother things get a lot more aggressive.

And Sauce is arguing that players just don't usually shove made marginal hands in position, regardless of aggression.

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Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $58

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Why?

Why not

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $88

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There are no draws and barely any implied.

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missed this post earlier

bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe

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Originally Posted by Ash256

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $58

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Why?

Why not

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $88

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There are no draws and barely any implied.

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missed this post earlier

bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe

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hmmm i always wondered about that. I was watching this aba vid and i found it hard to guess what his bet size would be, and i didn't understand why he'd make it that certain size. I just don't seem to have a good feel for it.

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $58

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Why?

Why not

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Flop: ($114) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $88

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There are no draws and barely any implied.

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missed this post earlier

bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe

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Yeah, ignorant post on my part, however i do like the bet size here a lot.
kind of looks like a "I have a decent hand but i really want to lay it down".