common pre-flop squeeze situation in aggro games

SB is a well-known 2p2'er, running 23/18/2.2 over a lot of hands. He's 3-bet me a few times in the small # of hands we've played together and I've folded. My image might be laggro b/c I 3-bet his button steal earlier at this table and felted A6s vs. a shorty caller (CO) on an A-high flop. CO is loose passive pre-flop, running ~34/7 over ~100 hands.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $3/$6 - 6 players - Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $621.45
Hero: $609
CO: $742.20
Button: $1093.20
SB: $810.75
BB: $189

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 9 :heart: 9 :diamond:
UTG calls, Hero raises to $27, CO calls, Button folds, SB raises to $135, 2 folds, Hero...

i think folding is the best play here...you don't exactly have set odds, and being sandwiched is a real problem preflop.

If he's capable of making a play here, I think you need to call this once in a while then shove over his flop bet.

That's the kind of hands that involves deeper thinking and clear reads. I don't know SB but if he is a thinking player I would definetely squeeze here pre-flop representing a big hand but 99 is borderline.

if ur confused-fold

and honestly still probably fold

whats up with the 4.5xBB PFR?? Any reason.

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Originally Posted by Da GOAT

whats up with the 4.5xBB PFR?? Any reason.

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UTG limper.

i think this is a fold also. I dont want to be sandwiched if the coldcaller behind tags along.

oops missed that limper

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Originally Posted by silu_nz

That's the kind of hands that involves deeper thinking and clear reads. I don't know SB but if he is a thinking player I would definetely squeeze here pre-flop representing a big hand but 99 is borderline.

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Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but are you saying the SB should be squeezing with any two cards and if so then how is 99 borderline?

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Originally Posted by sauce123

if ur confused-fold

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Probably good advice, but now I'm trying to clear up the confusion.

I think we're only a slight dog to his tightest range, but we have an inflated pot and a hand that will be really tough to play post-flop. If we play the hand, is it better to call and shove most aceless flops? Shoving pre-flop folds ~50% of his range imo, but obv we're a big dog if called. Is SB squeezing with a wide range unexploitable here?

there's a well thread in the SSNL forum on 2p2.

23act, dunno who he his, but he's made lots of monies, so he probably knows what he's talkin about.

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Originally Posted by 23act

think about it this way: if u raise to 4bb pf and get 3 bet to 14bb you can fold 3 times and only have to 4bet once (and take the pot down) to show a profit.

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hmmm....25% of a 16% raising range is top 4% of all hands. maybe we shouldn't worry about light 3betters too much...

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

hmmm....25% of a 16% raising range is top 4% of all hands. maybe we shouldn't worry about light 3betters too much...

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99 is in the top 4% of hands :D

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Originally Posted by zook

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

hmmm....25% of a 16% raising range is top 4% of all hands. maybe we shouldn't worry about light 3betters too much...

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99 is in the top 4% of hands :D

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bloody hell...damn you borderline hand of 4%!!!

i thought this was a spot where id look to throw in another raise sometimes, maybe 20-30% the time?
Otherwise i like the passive route with calling (although my reraised pot play is reeeally bad)
The biggest advantage i can see with fnords line is that if the pot goes 3 ways and we start pushing over our hand looks really strong...

I suck at blind play and just run good for what it's worth...

POKERSTARS GAME #10845447514: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/07/09 - 05:32:37 (ET)
Table 'Aeternitas' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Cekeey ($101.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Fnord ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 3: souple ($31.30 in chips)
Seat 4: criminal ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: wyldeyed ($129.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Birchy1982 ($49.45 in chips)
Cekeey: posts small blind $0.50
Fnord: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fnord [8d 6d]
souple: calls $1
criminal: raises $4 to $5
wyldeyed: folds
Birchy1982: folds
Cekeey: folds
Fnord: calls $4
souple: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 9d 7d]
Fnord: bets $8
criminal: raises $19 to $27
Fnord: raises $33 to $60
criminal: raises $35 to $95 and is all-in
Fnord: calls $35
*** TURN *** [3h 9d 7d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3h 9d 7d 5d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Fnord: shows [8d 6d] (a straight flush, Five to Nine)
criminal: mucks hand
Fnord collected $198.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $201.50 | Rake $3
Board [3h 9d 7d 5d 8c]
Seat 1: Cekeey (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Fnord (big blind) showed [8d 6d] and won ($198.50) with a straight flush, Five to Nine
Seat 3: souple folded before Flop
Seat 4: criminal mucked [Ac 9c]
Seat 5: wyldeyed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Birchy1982 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

is CCing 86s in the SB standard for anyone else?

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

is CCing 86s in the SB standard for anyone else?

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LoL, the UTG limper was terrible. Still not a money call.