A hand I butchered

No reads, and no HUD allowed on EVP. Whats the best way to play this??


Starting game 1950360222.

beerbar is at seat 0 with $37.05.
pokerstar09 is at seat 1 with $82.23.
Commander77 is at seat 2 with $392.65.
lene-berith is at seat 4 with $93.70.
brunelli is at seat 5 with $119.98.
DaGOAT is at seat 7 with $112.40.
Chilote is at seat 8 with $40.70.

The dealer is seat 7.

Chilote posts a blind of $.50.
beerbar posts a blind of $1.

(DaGOAT is dealt :qc: :qd: )

Pre-flop:
pokerstar09 folds.
Commander77 calls for $1.
lene-berith folds.
brunelli calls for $1.
DaGOAT raises $4.50.
Chilote folds.
beerbar folds.
Commander77 calls for $4.50.
brunelli folds.

The flop comes
:7c: :6s: :8c:

Commander77 bets $5.
DaGOAT raises $11.
Commander77 calls for $11.

The turn comes :6h:

Commander77 bets $1.50.
DaGOAT raises $30.50.
Commander77 calls for $30.50.

The river comes :tc:

Commander77 bets $35.
DaGOAT ?????????

raise to $5.50 or $6 pre. raise to 3x atleast on the flop if he donks again on the turn i probly push. I dont think theres a standard line against donk min-betters like this, but i usually give them zero credit.

BTW my raises are to be added to his.

PF is $5.50

Flop is $16

Turn is $32

Thosa are what my bets were

I know its a overbet but i may just shove the turn here.

It seems sooo likely that hes on a draw if you ask me, and shoving the turn stops him from drawing, and how much of a donk he seems to be, i can easily see him calling with any part of the draws out there still, and i doubt he has a 6. If he has you beat, pray for a queen.

So ya, shove turn.

Gametime+ works on Everest, there's yr HUD.
Playing $50 there myself, taking shots at $100 soon, cu there!

yeah i could start shoving turn here i guess.

taxi, whats your username there?? I play only FR on EVP

Yeah gametime+ works on everest. You have to drag the stats to the right players names manually though, but it works. I played there as minSim for a month ago (6-max) bonuswhoring. I think everest is really one of the softest sites out there.

Raise more pre-flop.

Raising this flop with more than 2 bets behind is hatred of money.

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Originally Posted by Da GOAT

No reads, and no HUD allowed on EVP

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WTF?!?! I haven't used a HuD in nearly 2 years and read people just fine.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Raise more pre-flop.

Raising this flop with more than 2 bets behind is hatred of money.

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Originally Posted by Da GOAT

No reads, and no HUD allowed on EVP

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WTF?!?! I haven't used a HuD in nearly 2 years and read people just fine.

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Yeah I 8tbl FR which aint an excuse for having no reads but i crush the game while roboting so............................ I just play FR to build my roll easily.

I bet pot PF which is what i usually do.

You make an interesting point on flop raise.I guess you are advocating a call here instead of making an much bigger flop raise since i dont really want to get it Allin on that flop.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Raising this flop with more than 2 bets behind is hatred of money.

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Serious? It's such a drawy flop and his bet looks like every donk's bet when they're trying to "block" to get their draw cheaply.

The problem is the turn card has a HUGE impact on our equity and raising increase the effective stakes of future betting rounds. Also re-opening the betting sets up a shove we probably really shouldn't call.

I've recently learned is standard to start calling these flops with overpairs. However, versus fishy players we have to raise the flop because of gigantic calling ranges. River is a close fold.

Ive been coming across alot of spots and posts lately whereby its a similiar flop and we hold JJ or QQ type hands.

I would tend to raise it up if theres a third person on the flop but i can see the point of calling vs one opp. ill probably try keep the pot small though ive argued before against just calling.