a few hands from today (100nl)

hand 1: villain is an unknown, but doesnt seem like an idiot. this is a 10 like always isnt it?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($100)
MP ($9.25)
CO ($38.70)
Button ($117.65)
SB ($99.40)
BB ($55.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($13) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $4, SB calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($25) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($25) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $40, Hero folds, right?


hand 2: Only 8 hands on villain, so nothing useful. Is this the whole "TPTK is always the nuts in a 3-bet pot?"

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($102)
SB ($103.10)
BB ($115.85)
UTG ($117.40)
MP ($100)
CO ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO (poster) raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, CO calls $10.

Flop: ($29.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $22, CO raises to $44, Hero ???


hand 3: what type of hands can i call with vs. obviouse squeezes? this is something thats happening much more at 100nl than 50nl.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($93.20)
Hero ($115.55)
Button ($102.45)
SB ($154.25)
BB ($100)
UTG ($137.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB raises to $17, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $12



hand 4: villain is 20/12/6 over 100 hands. This is a standard call here in position this deep right? easy fold if its only 100bbs deep? its much better to call w/ sc's and such than KQ/KJ hands vs an apparent squeeze, right? results left in as a brag, ship the huge pot :lol:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($178.25)
Button ($77.85)
SB ($229.30)
BB ($113.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, SB raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $14, Button calls $14.

Flop: ($55) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $35, Hero raises to $100, Button folds, SB raises to $211.3, Hero calls $60.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($375.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($375.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $375.50

nice post, some tough hands here.

hand 1: i still cbet. it immediately lets me know who's got the T or PP (anyone who calls or raises). as played, you gotta fold.

hand 2: ugh...i call and fold to a substantial turn bet.

hand 3: easy fold. my calling range is relatively tight against an unknown. JJ+, AQs, AK

hand 4: looks like villain had AA. nh.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

hand 2: ugh...i call and fold to a substantial turn bet.

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can we do this? TPTK in a 3bet pot where, if villian pushes the turn, we would only have to put $56 into a $17o pot? i couldnt decide whether it was a push or a fold.

u played all of these well

the river rly sucks on the TTT board, id definitely bet turn here, but as played the river fold seems good if annoying as shit

the kj is a rly rly std fold

couple things: id fold flop on the TTT board and id also cbet a lot

also checking behind on the KQJ is probably ur best play tho bet/folding is ok also i guess

hand 2: i like checking the flop.

Board: Js Kh Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.608% 41.32% 11.29% 14316 3912.50 { AdKs }
Hand 1: 47.392% 36.10% 11.29% 12509 3912.50 { QQ-TT, AJs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }


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You could try some other ranges for villain, but i am assuming your equity would be between 50-55% for most ranges. Since we aren't solidly ahead and we are looking to fold if raised, checking behind is probably best. If lead into on the turn i would call and fold to a river bet (bet if checked to again ofc).

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Originally Posted by sauce123

the kj is a rly rly std fold

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i guess i was wondering what hands we should be calling w/ against squeezes when villains tend to do it alot. It seems like thinking villains would be squeezing w/ SC's and med. PP type hands so we would want to go back to hands like KQs/AJs/JQs when calling squeezes (obv. not that often)

i think being sooted adds a legit amnt of value when calling a possible squeeze raise, so id consider hands like ATs+ sooted broadways, SCs, medium PPs (77+) to be ur best candidates to call these squeezes with.

the thing is, even if they r squeezing light sooo many bad things can happen:

a) you can be dominated a lot
b) an A or K flops and they bluff and we are forced to fold unimproved with the majority of our range
c) we can hit our set/2pr/big draw and not get paid cause they WERE squeezing with 69s and missed

so rly i think the bottom line is, when ur player pool is large- which it definitely is at 200nl and below, id rly just stick to calling with hands that are ahead of their range as long as we are not getting v good odds, just because metagames benefits r so minimal and you are just putting urself in an awkward spot.

however, if villain starts showing down extremely weak hands, then we can readjust.

and the time tested way to beat light squeezers is to call in position with AQs, AK, TT+ and extract value postflop if they bluff too much

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Originally Posted by sauce123

c) we can hit our set/2pr/big draw and not get paid cause they WERE squeezing with 69s and missed

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i think this is the most important reason vs. thinking villains. Thats the whole reason they (we) are sqeezing w/ SC's and 1 gappers is so we can get off our hand easy if we dont hit the flop hard.

1) This is such a random line. I guess it could be a T, but does he really check twice with quads? Our pot odds are pretty shitty, and it does seem like a bet somebody owuld make trying to get a call from an ace, I just dont understand why theyd play that way on the prior streets. Against an unknown, Id have to say this is a fold because a lot of the time we dont see a T, we are probably going to see an ace, so really, at best we are going to have a split pot.

2) TPTK is going to be the nuts in a 3bet pot the vast majority of the time; however, in this spot, I see what you are saying. Against a LAG or even the looser Tags, there could be some arguments about not being beat here because of the draws, but even then its doubtful. Here you just arent going to be ahead near enough of the time, and when you are, you most likely dont have a ton of equity. So its basically slightly ahead a smaller percent of the time, or way behind most of the time. Id say its a standard, but shitty fold. Given all of this though, couldnt checking behind here be ok? I mean, how worried are we going to be about our opponent drawing here in a 3bet pot? That could be being results oriented, but I think thats something to think about.

3) I assume that you have stats on the BB and know that they are a thinking aggressive player. Anyways, against guys like this, I would say to start 4betting somewhat lightly and then mixing in some calls with weaker hands and strong hands and planning to take the pot away on the flop some of the time with weaker hands. I know this is pretty vague, but this is something that I dont incredibly excel at in general and am trying to improve in my game. In terms of this hand itself, dont call with KJ.

4) I think this is fine, but I would just shove the flop.

EDIT: #3, I didnt read the thread when I first posted and was actually going to say "I hope sauce posts more about this" and I see that he did

Hand 1 def bet the flop and fold the river.

Hand 2 I think is a fold

Hand 3 fine

Hand 4 cream your pants and insta shove.

so is hand 4 a standard shove over his flop bet, or is it better to make a normal raise and call a push? I have been working on making more normal size raises whereas i used to just jam my stack in, but i thought i was using alot of value and making it much easier for villains to fold.

In hand 4, I think any hand he is pushing over a raise with is calling a shove. Shoving makes it look more like a draw so push. I think he might even call a shove with a wider range. Any thoughts on this?

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

In hand 4, I think any hand he is pushing over a raise with is calling a shove. Shoving makes it look more like a draw so push. I think he might even call a shove with a wider range. Any thoughts on this?

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it depends on the villain, the board texture, pf action, etc. As with anything, there isnt a right answere. I felt that a more normal size raise was better in this situation because of the ugly board.

i lucked out here because villain flipped over AxKd for the redraw.