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What to do, its my second hand at the table
Noble Poker Bingara (No DP) 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($49.25)
SB Hero ($49.50)
BB ($53.30)
UTG ($17.43)
UTG+1 UTG+1 ($50.60)
Preflop: Hero is in the SB with A :c: K :s: UTG calls 0.50, UTG+1 raises to 2, 1 fold, Hero raises to 7, 2 folds, UTG+1 moves all-in for 48.60, Hero ??
fold
Easy fold, at these stakes people aren't often 4-bet shoving less than AA/KK. You could throw in some more hands if you had history or stats, but without them I'm always folding this here
How's the size of the 3 bet?
fine.
Yeah, a fold is cool here.
You only have $7 invested and you're flipping or way behind every time fold.
fold.
snap fold
So not the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanglow
It's totally the point in conjunction with the rest of his sentence! Shame on you for manipulating his quote :)
I really isnt. Dead money (pot odds) is important. The amount of it we have invested isnt. If there were antes involved then this could become a call with reasonably short stacks even though we would still have so little invested.
the point isn't the money in the pot, it's the range of hands UTG+1 is capable of doing this with.
In reality I'd expect this to be AK/JJ/QQ a lot and AA/KK very little.
I'm leaning towards fold but call wouldn't be that bad.
Actually, against QQ/JJ a call would be so marginal that the rake probably makes it -ev. I do think this is AK a lot though. But it doesn't have to be AA/KK often to really screw us over.
vs AK/JJ/QQ we break even. add KK, we're a slight dog. add AA, we're owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.492% 24.65% 18.84% 116502500 89038110.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 56.508% 37.67% 18.84% 178017184 89038110.00 { AdAh, AhAs, KcKs, KhKs, QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }
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I really think this is a spew call against an unknown at these stakes. We are high enough to not have too many people stacking off with total rubbish, but low enough that people arent adapting to light 3betters by opening up 4 bets.
Enough people at these stakes have a 4bet range of AA/KK that calling here really sucks imo.
1). You are missing 2 combinations of A-A/K-K.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
2). I doubt it's standard at 50NL for J-J to 4bet PF.
Here's another range:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 6524615 7436014.00 { AdKh }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 14561741 7436014.00 { AcAh, AcAs, AhAs, KcKd, KcKs, KdKs, QQ, AKs, AKo }
And it is a generous range for villain; if you take A-Ko out of villain's range our equity again decreases by 5%. With $14 in the pot, and needing to call $40 we aren't getting close to having 1.5:1 pot odds.
I intentionally left out 2/3 of AA/KK hands, guess my post wasn't clear that I think AA/KK is hugely discounted here.
If you are going to assume villain's are frequently going to get trappy with K-K+ and always nuts with J-J/Q-Q your analysis is going to be flawed. Neither of those scenarios are "standard", and since we know nothiing about our opponent it is a bad idea to factor those sorts of things into determining our equity.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
It's not nuts to 4bet shove JJ/QQ and it's not unstandard to smoothcall 3bets with AA/KK.
In fact, I would say those actions are closer to standard than the actions you're projecting.
sigh... fold prolly
agree to disagree? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73