How much for value?

Villain's pretty bad. Bet turn harder? How much on river?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($50)
SB ($20.40)
BB ($75.60)
Hero ($75.15)
MP ($49.75)
CO ($55.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds.

Flop: ($4.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls $4.

Turn: ($12.25) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8.5, CO calls $8.50.

River: ($29.25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ???

I like it, probs bet 15-17 on river.

that line is pretty good. if he's really bad why not bet more like 20-22?

i d bet about 1.3x pot or something as a general tendancy, sometimes cr ai, sometimes shove with an overpair vs a joker. "Pretty bad" villains are the type it's fun to overbet against. they just don t learn that QJ is no good.

in this situation a check raise seems particularly good since his range is probably something like busted str8 and flushdraws and medium strength Q's which will likely value bet or bluff when checked to. The Q's might then feel commited once you shove.

$20, hes a fish gotta take him to vtown

i'd bet 9.50 on the turn probably but that's pretty moot. I agree 20 on the river.

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

sometimes shove with an overpair vs a joker.

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So, jokers aren't wild here?

Seriously, I think we can get the same action with a pot size bet, as with a 2/3 bet here. I go $29-30.

I have a question though, what if anything does our betsizing say about our hand here? It says value bet right?

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

i d bet about 1.3x pot or something as a general tendancy, sometimes cr ai, sometimes shove with an overpair vs a joker. "Pretty bad" villains are the type it's fun to overbet against. they just don t learn that QJ is no good.

in this situation a check raise seems particularly good since his range is probably something like busted str8 and flushdraws and medium strength Q's which will likely value bet or bluff when checked to. The Q's might then feel commited once you shove.

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I don't like checking here unless we have a read that he'll bet. A lot of fish with a queen don't in this spot. Bet $20