A session with Miffed22001.

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09-14-2007, 09:10 PM
Miffed22001

A session with Miffed22001.

All my important hands from todays session.
Quite a few, but i felt like posting lots to discuss and hopefully get some conversation going.

All are party 100nl 6max, im 9 tabling so no reads other than stack sizes and sometimes some vague notes.

Hand1.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($101)
SB ($73.71)
BB ($102.18)
UTG ($73.50)
MP ($98.50)
CO ($19.84)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $3, MP calls $3, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $20, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP calls $98.50 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls $78.50.

Flop: ($204) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($204) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($204) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $204

Hand 2.
Opponent has done some really stupid stuff. This isnt the first time he has raised me, it is the first time he has really raised and not minraised. I have no second thoughts of stacking off lightish with this idiot fwiw.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($27.17)
Button ($103.16)
Hero ($166.83)
BB ($137.63)
UTG ($98)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif.
2 folds, Button calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($11) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9, Button raises to $19, Hero calls $166.33 (All-In), Button calls $103.16 (All-In).

Turn: ($255.32) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3s.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($255.32) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $255.32

Hand3.

Interesting one. Anyone fold AK hu in the blinds for 100bbs?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($164.86)
UTG ($176.88)
MP ($159.96)
Button ($107.75)
SB ($98.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ac.gif.
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $3.5, SB raises to $20, Hero calls $163.86 (All-In), SB calls $97.60 (All-In).

Flop: ($235.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($235.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jd.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($235.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $235.70

Hand 4.

Standard aggression, opp had been donking lots when he thought my range missed the flop. I hadnt competed without a chance to win the hand on a later street.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($88.20)
MP ($102.05)
Hero ($107.45)
SB ($137.19)
BB ($96.72)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9d.gif (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8.

Turn: ($32.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero calls $107.45 (All-In), BB calls $95.72 (All-In).

River: ($247.40) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $247.40

hand 5.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($53.29)
BB ($95.68)
Hero ($149.73)
MP ($18.51)
CO ($65.11)
Button ($101.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif.
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO raises to $20, Hero calls $149.73 (All-In), CO calls $65.11 (All-In).

Turn: ($179.72) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7c.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($179.72) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $179.72

Hand 6.

Interesting...comments on this one will be good :)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($176.07)
UTG ($115.20)
Button ($97.50)
Hero ($137.46)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif.
1 fold, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $10, BB folds, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($32) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9s.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button calls $20.

River: ($72) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button calls $97.50 (All-In), Hero calls $63.50.

Final Pot: $199

hand 7.

Best hand in this lot. Ill comment that i thought my opponent was bad and iwas looking for a spot to play big bet poker with him. If my opp is good, who agrees with how i played it?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($31.16)
Hero ($149.08)
SB ($95.05)
BB ($113.90)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7.

Turn: ($23) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9h.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $41, Hero calls $21.

River: ($105) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3h.gif (2 players)
SB calls $94.55 (All-In), Hero calls $43.05.

Final Pot: $191.10

hand 8.

River river river...If the board wasnt paired id c/r all in on turn, perhaps because im in the blinds and the board is paired i should have done, but i thought he;d call with better but bad draws here...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($101.58)
BB ($118.13)
UTG ($96)
MP ($148.53)
Button ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $1, Button raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($10) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7d.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $8, MP calls $8, Button folds.

Turn: ($26) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6s.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $22, MP calls $22.

River: ($70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9d.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $55, MP calls $55.

Final Pot: $180

Hand 9.

Opp is a decent thinking reg. Will make the move to 200nl one day.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($157.57)
Button ($106.38)
SB ($139.51)
BB ($262.86)
Hero ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kh.gif.
Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7.

Turn: ($22.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6d.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB raises to $44, Hero calls $99.50 (All-In), BB folds.

Final Pot: $181

Hand 10.

Stacks are the biggest issue.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($12.26)
BB ($101.78)
UTG ($101.28)
Hero ($220)
Button ($199.56)

Preflop: Hero is MP with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7s.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button raises to $25, Hero calls $17.

Turn: ($59.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8c.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $45, Hero calls $45.

River: ($149.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jd.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button calls $199.56 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $349.06
09-15-2007, 01:14 AM
bigslikk

I play the donkstakes, but fwiw:

1: I don't believe his 4-bet is AJ. Given that, isn't it a fold?

2: Sure. I guess you can't re-raise w/o being committed.

3: 6-max blind war? I do it.

4: Every street was played well. An aggressive move with as many as 10 outs on the flop. The shove on the turn is deceptive and perfect. :clap:

5: What more could you want here? PF: good. Postflop: great. Repped a big ace, maybe his a-rag hit? No better way to play a set here IMO.

6: Real tough hand, obv. The flop bet into the raiser is fine. 2nd barrel, okay. I'd shutdown river, but then the queen... I guess it's a cry call. It's all very marginal and disgusting to me, I am completely baffled by this hand. River is easily bluff or monster (or a sick AQ).

7: What are you beating on the turn raise? IMO not much here. A big ace? I doubt it. If your image was trash sure.

8: I like the 3 barrel, it looks like he was chasing.

9: Good read.

10: On flop: high probability of jacks, maybe air. On turn: strong probability jacks. River is easy fold as played. Were you massively slowplaying or did you think he had a set? The slowplay works, it's a gamble though (as shown here). Not sure, but raising the turn may be a better play here since the pot is so bloated.

Not a high stakes player, just thought I'd give it a shot and my 2 cents.
09-15-2007, 04:56 AM
Miffed22001

On 10, stack sizes were the major factor my thinking in what i was going to do in the hand.
had i known what i found out about later when we went deep and i stacked him 250bbs deep i probably should have c/r'ed all in on turn.
09-15-2007, 12:12 PM
martindcx1e

what's the deal with #1?
09-15-2007, 01:18 PM
Pelion

yea hand 1 is huh?
09-15-2007, 01:36 PM
Ash256

I think hand 1 is standard.
09-15-2007, 04:05 PM
bigspenda73

Why does most everyone on this site insist on playing such high-variance poker?
09-15-2007, 04:07 PM
wufwugy

Yeah, especially on Party.
09-15-2007, 05:20 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Why does most everyone on this site insist on playing such high-variance poker?

which hand and why.
At any point, suggest to me where an opponent has a serious edge versus my range,
Also, consider this is not the pokerstars game where an opp only raises with a minumum of tptk or a set.

fwiw, how many of these hands do you think i lost, indeed how many were positions where my hand was behind when i commited my stack to the pot?

low variance poker = predicatability and a crap winrate. fwiw, in this game my bbs/100 is 7-10/100.

Hand 1 is obviously a discussion point. SOmebody start criticising my thinking and provide ranges etc.
09-15-2007, 05:31 PM
bigspenda73

Lol getdefensiveaments.

I did not call your style poor or bad I merely implied it was unessecary. I bet I could beat that game at party for 5ptbb/100 with a variance-free graph.

You're 9tabling so DONT GIVE ME ANY BULLSHIT ABOUT THEIR HAND RANGES CUZ YOU AREN'T THINKING ABOUT THEM, YOU ALREADY SAID NO READS. Fuck, I hate when my caps lock button gets stuck.

Anywho, too many hands to review, I hate Hand 1 w/o reads becuae you're only getting 3:2 on the call and against his range you're much more of a dog. Also. I dislike the two-barrell in hand 8 b/c he's never folding a small pair there ever and your equity is probably around 33% against his range.
09-15-2007, 05:47 PM
Ash256

Hmn, actually hand 1 seems pretty 0ev.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }
09-15-2007, 05:50 PM
bigspenda73

lol
09-15-2007, 06:28 PM
Jack Sawyer

I don't really like 1
But then again, this is 6-max, I expect the call-a-pf-pushaments requirements go lower.. ??

Disclaimer: I don't really like 6-max either.

What range did you put villain on here?
09-15-2007, 06:29 PM
BankItDrew

I think:

hand 1: You 3bet too high. I prefer a triple or a 4x. I don't understand the all in call either, unless you put villain on a low pp... but no reads?

Hand 2: If this guy has been pushing you around, let him when you have a big hand. Call flop bet and continue to reel villain in throughout.

Hand 3: I have never done this, but I don't think it's bad. Interesting thing here is the massive 3bet like yours in hand 1. Maybe villain didn't want to see a flop.

Hand 4: Standard.

Hand 5: Standard.

Hand 6: I don't agree with the barrel on the Turn. Villain has: flush, pp (doesn't believe you on flop), or a five. I see no reason to bet this nine of spades. Fold to the river too, unless you thing villain is bluffing. I see no bluff here though.

Hand 7: Why call the turn minraise? You thought villain was bluffing? If you think villain is bluffing, sure, let villain become the aggressor. I find this hand hard to read. Villain could have tptk nut frush draw + gutshot, or KQ.

Hand 8: Standard.

Hand 9: Standard.

Hand 10: I fold to the turn bet, but that's my nitty coming out.
09-15-2007, 06:34 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

Hand 6: c/f river

Hand 7: bet/fold turn.

Hand 9: check behind on turn. Call a river bet.

Hand 10: bet/fold turn
09-16-2007, 05:51 AM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hmn, actually hand 1 seems pretty 0ev.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }

this is what people need to do in their work lunch hour :shipit:

Knew i should posted AJ calling here :wink:
09-16-2007, 06:08 AM
Miffed22001

fwiw, i dont have any specific reads, but ive played enough now to know what a typical 100nl reg will do with there hands and what they are playing.

1. I put opp squarely on a range i couldnt fold to. YES, he will have AK here at times, and also AA, but ive checked these types of hands in my PT db recently and this is exactly the range posted above. So yeah, you probably have to call here.
I certainly agree this is not standard, but i certainly dont give up hands without a reason.

2. Opp was spewing over everything, calling down every pot and basically sucking out. He had 555 here, i lol'ed and thought that if i want to make money i have to feed the fishies sometimes. Fwiw, this guy is the biggest 25/5 loser i have ever seen, -7.23bbs/100 over a sample of about 6k

One of my thoughts is that people dont often feel people raising oop in the blinds really have hands, when the opposite is actually true, hence my willingness to stakc off A LOT here.

3. i dont fold 100bbs deep with AK in the blinds. Opp shows AQ i reload and stack him 5 minutes later when he cant fold his aces on a flushy turn. Ill pay AA/KK here unless i have real respect for a villain, and i would already have notes to that effect anyway. Ranges here are 88-JJ AK typer things, so you know ill push AA/KK immediatly over this line like i did AK too.

4. super standard.

5. Not a full buy, so hes not folding tp or even two pair here, hence playing it quick.

6. Best spew play, i think my hand can fold a lot of his range on flop, so i bet (even though i dont hit he cant call much if he has the same hand, esp knowing i will fire turn) as it turns out the bets card hits turn and i bet it, him calling does raise alarm bells.
River is the easiet fold in the world however i thought he may have had Ax for a small pair and was chasing and hence my choice to cal. He flips the nuts i learn a valuable lesson about a reg who doesnt raise his fd's in position.

7. I actually folded turn in this hand but posted a different line. Opp has AJ.

8. Not much on 8. I have prob ably 15 outs against opps range which is either chasing a draw or a mid pp. So i can get hidden value if i catch a pair and also probably can steal if i dont catch by firing river if he chases. As it turns out he has K4d and scoops.
I made much more off him forcing him to chase for horrible odds in other spots.

9. Dont fold two pair here, your hand is too strong unless you know your opp would play a flush sooo fast,

10. WIth stack sizes if i bet fold turn i have to fold river to any bet. If i c/c i can tip my hand and ask opp to push me off it if he hasnt got me beat. Because the stacks are deep and i have no specific read other than the other guy is deep and raises the flop, so probably doesnt suck i think this is a set waaaay more than anything else. He shoves the river because he thinks i have a jack and will call versus his boat.
09-16-2007, 12:08 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

hand 1: You 3bet too high. I prefer a triple or a 4x. I don't understand the all in call either, unless you put villain on a low pp... but no reads?

i don't understand. AQ is behind all pp's. why do we want to get all-in here?
09-16-2007, 12:17 PM
bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

hand 1: You 3bet too high. I prefer a triple or a 4x. I don't understand the all in call either, unless you put villain on a low pp... but no reads?

i don't understand. AQ is behind all pp's. why do we want to get all-in here?

because its very slightly behind small pps and we have dead money in the pot.
09-16-2007, 12:18 PM
bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Why does most everyone on this site insist on playing such high-variance poker?

god, you would hate to watch me play.
09-16-2007, 12:23 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

hand 1: You 3bet too high. I prefer a triple or a 4x. I don't understand the all in call either, unless you put villain on a low pp... but no reads?

i don't understand. AQ is behind all pp's. why do we want to get all-in here?

because its very slightly behind small pps and we have dead money in the pot.

there's only $6 in dead money there. is that enough?
09-16-2007, 12:32 PM
2_Thumbs_Up

There's more than 6$ worth of dead money. We are calling 80 in a 200 dollar pot. our pot odds are 3:2 and that's enough.
09-16-2007, 12:39 PM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hmn, actually hand 1 seems pretty 0ev.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }

If this is true I REALLY wish I could play on Party
09-16-2007, 12:43 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hmn, actually hand 1 seems pretty 0ev.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }

If this is true I REALLY wish I could play on Party

trust me it is.
09-16-2007, 06:16 PM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hmn, actually hand 1 seems pretty 0ev.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }

If this is true I REALLY wish I could play on Party

trust me it is.

the fact that he left out JJ-AA too?
09-16-2007, 07:16 PM
Pelion

Why are we not putting good hands in his range when hes raising? You are saying that he has 77 more often than AA here and you have no reads. Really?
09-16-2007, 07:17 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hmn, actually hand 1 seems pretty 0ev.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }

If this is true I REALLY wish I could play on Party

trust me it is.

the fact that he left out JJ-AA too?

Add jj and AK, its making sdome but not a lot of difference. If i thought he had QQ here a bit i might consider it but then party does have a lot of cold calling raises in psoition then 4 betting a squeezer when squeezers on party are super tight in these spots at 100nl but also 200nl.
400nl is the difference
09-16-2007, 10:56 PM
Jack Sawyer

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

If this is true I REALLY wish I could play on Party

Move to Canada/ Mexico. You'll miss your football games, but meh. That's what DirecTV is for anyway

@Miffed: So, in hand 1 your actual reraise pf gave you the right odds to call an all-in there, right?
So, AQo is a good enough hand to reraise pf in 6-max, against a small utg raise and 2 cold-callers, not counting reads?
09-16-2007, 11:42 PM
martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up

There's more than 6$ worth of dead money. We are calling 80 in a 200 dollar pot. our pot odds are 3:2 and that's enough.

the pot is only $124.50
09-17-2007, 04:47 AM
Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

If this is true I REALLY wish I could play on Party

Move to Canada/ Mexico. You'll miss your football games, but meh. That's what DirecTV is for anyway

@Miffed: So, in hand 1 your actual reraise pf gave you the right odds to call an all-in there, right?
So, AQo is a good enough hand to reraise pf in 6-max, against a small utg raise and 2 cold-callers, not counting reads?

perhaps what i know from experience in these games is that a 3bbs raise UTG is not a big hand, its a small pair dominated broadways (AJ/KJ/KQ) or sc's. I remember doing this as i played 3-4months ago and now can see how exploitable it is. My 3bet range even to an UTG raisor only making it 3bbs on party is quite wide. 88+ probably.

In a normal situation, where opp is half decent and opens for 4bbs, this is a 65/35 3bet spot IMO if opp opens 10%~ utg.

Fwiw, 1 is not standard in any way. But opp does not have a better hand then me, significantly better, 2/3rds of the time. Certainly, he will have AK/AA perhaps JJ/QQ here on occasion, possibly as much as 1/3rd the time. but then i have pot odds to call that $80 into $130 etc.

Im interested if i had AK here would you all be so unwilling to call, because then im only seriously dominated by two hands and the dead money means i must call.
09-17-2007, 11:55 AM
Pelion

With AK and so much dead money and so short stacks I would call it, but if he were 100bbs deep I dont think so.
09-17-2007, 02:18 PM
bigspenda73

AQ is so marginal because AK makes up so much of their shoving range, sure the other hands could be in that range, but not at the same frequency as AK.
09-17-2007, 05:15 PM
Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

AQ is so marginal because AK makes up so much of their shoving range, sure the other hands could be in that range, but not at the same frequency as AK.

but even the bad spewers know they cant cold call AK here acting second into the pot, even if he only minraises
09-18-2007, 12:07 AM
martindcx1e

I still don't see how there's enough dead money in the pot. I only see $6 in dead money. It's like $80 to win $125.
09-18-2007, 12:26 AM
bigspenda73

If you're leveling it's not funny, if you're not the dead money is our PF 3bet to $20, villains subsequent call of that $20 during his 4bet AI push along with the coldcallers PF money gives us a nice price to call.
09-18-2007, 12:34 AM
martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

If you're leveling it's not funny, if you're not the dead money is our PF 3bet to $20, villains subsequent call of that $20 during his 4bet AI push along with the coldcallers PF money gives us a nice price to call.

lol sorry spenda i always thought dead money was referring to all the extra money put in by those who ended up folding. either way $80 to win $125 doesn't seem good enough...is it?
09-18-2007, 12:37 AM
Jack Sawyer

2:3 martin, exactly the odds given the range miffed put villain on

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }
09-18-2007, 12:42 AM
martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

2:3 martin, exactly the odds given the range miffed put villain on

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.361% 30.09% 10.27% 278271072 94928304.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 59.639% 49.37% 10.27% 456516480 94928304.00 { TT-77, AQs+, AQo+ }

thx jack...not sure why i was having a hard time with that.