two bluffs and a thin call down

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09-25-2007, 12:40 PM
IowaSkinsFan

two bluffs and a thin call down

Mad eric is a lagg, not bluffy though and pretty decent. I understand that 4 bet is not only a viable option but may be the better option, if you really hate the call then say it.

POKERSTARS GAME #12260453868: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/25 - 11:09:04 (ET)
Table 'Hermentaria' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DCJ311 ($74 in chips)
Seat 2: Dorste73 ($191.20 in chips)
Seat 3: QC_Phil 24 ($448.60 in chips)
Seat 4: heybude ($815.55 in chips)
Seat 5: mad.erik_c ($466 in chips)
Seat 6: Shermod ($807.10 in chips)
heybude: posts small blind $2
mad.erik_c: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Ad Ks]
Shermod: folds
DCJ311: folds
Dorste73: calls $4
QC_Phil 24: calls $4
heybude: raises $16 to $20
mad.erik_c: raises $40 to $60
Dorste73: folds
QC_Phil 24: folds
heybude: calls $40
*** FLOP *** [6s Qh Tc]
heybude: checks
mad.erik_c: checks
*** TURN *** [6s Qh Tc] [9s]
heybude: bets $84
mad.erik_c: calls $84
*** RIVER *** [6s Qh Tc 9s] [7c]
heybude: bets $176

Here opp is pretty bad but not horrible, he's a reg but hes fishy and passive.

POKERSTARS GAME #12260544134: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/25 - 11:16:35 (ET)
Table 'Hermentaria' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DCJ311 ($80 in chips)
Seat 2: Dorste73 ($232.80 in chips)
Seat 3: QC_Phil 24 ($428.60 in chips)
Seat 4: heybude ($974.55 in chips)
Seat 5: mad.erik_c ($493.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Shermod ($819.80 in chips)
DCJ311: posts small blind $2
Dorste73: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Qd Td]
QC_Phil 24: calls $4
heybude: raises $16 to $20
mad.erik_c: folds
Shermod: folds
DCJ311: folds
Dorste73: folds
QC_Phil 24: calls $16
*** FLOP *** [7d Jd 9c]
QC_Phil 24: bets $16
heybude: raises $52 to $68
QC_Phil 24: calls $52
*** TURN *** [7d Jd 9c] [Ts]
QC_Phil 24: checks
heybude:????? (his stack is like 360 and i cover)

Here I actually dont know anything about this opp besides the fact that he's multi tabling.

POKERSTARS GAME #12260620210: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/09/25 - 11:22:54 (ET)
Table 'Galle' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: FOUR IN HAND ($414.15 in chips)
Seat 2: kjell_morten ($537 in chips)
Seat 3: heybude ($625 in chips)
Seat 4: INTREPID FOX ($441.40 in chips)
Seat 5: GiveMeUrMoni ($405 in chips)
Seat 6: zmerlin ($379.30 in chips)
zmerlin: posts small blind $3
FOUR IN HAND: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [5h 5c]
kjell_morten: raises $12 to $18
heybude: calls $18
INTREPID FOX: folds
GiveMeUrMoni: calls $18
zmerlin: folds
FOUR IN HAND: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [2h 2c Kd]
FOUR IN HAND: checks
kjell_morten: checks
heybude: checks
GiveMeUrMoni: checks
*** TURN *** [2h 2c Kd] [7h]
FOUR IN HAND: checks
kjell_morten: checks
heybude: checks
GiveMeUrMoni: bets $54
FOUR IN HAND: folds
kjell_morten: folds
heybude: calls $54
*** RIVER *** [2h 2c Kd 7h] [6s]
heybude: checks
GiveMeUrMoni: bets $144
heybude: calls $144
09-25-2007, 03:02 PM
Ash256

I'm gonna give these a pop just for the sake of exercising my deep thought muscle..

Hand 1: My initial thought was that the river would be much sexier if it was a spade, but then again are spades in your 3bet calling range at all? A Jack would prolly have been sexy.. then again, he may be calling the turn with hands that you'd be semibluffing with.. ugh levels
Does he think you're capable of bluffing with low-mid PPs in this spot or would you just try to take them to showdown ASAP?
As it is, idk wtf you're representing apart from possibly a turned set; I can see him calling with any pair bigger than eights.

Hand 2: SEXYTIME, he doesn't seem to like his hand and we have about a million outs (not to mention that we pwn diamonds). I think his preflop range consists solely of suited As, SCs and low-mid PPs. If he's stackadonking with a set then meh; he played the flop bad and we'll bust him later.. Also, the turn might turn him into a stubborn c/caller so IMO we ought to give up (unless we hit) if he calls. Anyway, stick $132 his way.

Hand 3: Ugh, it's either a set or nothing.. I'd hazard a guess that a call dances around the breakeven EV area.
09-25-2007, 03:33 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

hand 3 is really bad, he's definitely not bluffing enough here.

Hand 1 and 2 are good if you bet the turn on hand 2 like 120 or so like Ash said.
09-25-2007, 03:45 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

1). I prefer a 4bet preflop.

2). Given his preflop action and the fact that he is a weak player, i think he often has two pair or better. I take the free card.

3). He could be value betting 8-8 or actually holding 7-7. I like leading the turn myself and folding to a raise.
09-25-2007, 03:45 PM
jackvance

1.. It's probably a tie, so I like it

2.. I'd call here. Not saying it's good but it's what I would do heh

3.. Hard to say, although the fact that he's multitabling makes it less likely it's a bluff. He also bet the turn into a lot of people.. I probably let him have it.
09-25-2007, 04:47 PM
sauce123

first one i hate, dont rep enough to get him to fold anything rly
obv 4betting is better usually but u know that

2nd one doesnt matter i dont think but id usually check but do both some % of the time

3rd one i like
09-25-2007, 06:48 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Hand 1. I bet the turn because I know if he has anything but air, a hand he really doesn't like (AK, JJ, KQ maybe?), or a draw he's going to raise. Since my scare cards are only a K and an 8, I feel like this may be one of the rare situations where its good to fire on the turn for the sake of bluffing another street.

Hand 2. I can think of some hands he folds but some of them have draw outs (QJ, KJ) and im not confident he'll fold these to a bet. However, its not like he's going to raise me without a straight.

Hand 3. 77 or air right?
09-25-2007, 07:29 PM
sauce123

on hand 3 if hes good he will have K9s-KQo a fair amnt of the time as well as quads and 77 and maybe 99 TT JJ QQ. if he isnt then ur line seems good and he likely has complete air
09-25-2007, 07:40 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

on hand 3 if hes good he will have K9s-KQo a fair amnt of the time as well as quads and 77 and maybe 99 TT JJ QQ. if he isnt then ur line seems good and he likely has complete air

I just cant give an unknown 2/4 reg enough credit for vbetting that thin.
09-25-2007, 07:53 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

on hand 3 if hes good he will have K9s-KQo a fair amnt of the time as well as quads and 77 and maybe 99 TT JJ QQ. if he isnt then ur line seems good and he likely has complete air

I just cant give an unknown 2/4 reg enough credit for vbetting that thin.

you have to some of the time, at least.
09-25-2007, 07:54 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

and why can't he have a 2?
09-25-2007, 09:53 PM
sauce123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

and why can't he have a 2?

cause villain isnt massimo???? (this thread is feeding ur obsession eh??)
09-25-2007, 11:03 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

and why can't he have a 2?

He can but I think most of the time he plays it differently.

What do you think of his bet sizing?
09-26-2007, 12:01 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

and why can't he have a 2?

cause villain isnt massimo???? (this thread is feeding ur obsession eh??)

YES YES YES.

Quote:

He can have a 2 but I think most of the time he plays it differently.

What do you think of his bet sizing?

I mean, we don't know if he's good. A good player would bet the flop with one, but that doesn't mean he would. I'm just saying... you can't just discount it.
09-26-2007, 12:52 AM
sauce123

massimo- i think a good player wouldnt bet the flop 100% with one
09-26-2007, 01:27 AM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

massimo- i think a good player wouldnt bet the flop 100% with one

Doesn't position matter in this? In this case villain was last to act, so a flop bet might not get that much respect anyhow?
09-26-2007, 10:43 AM
IowaSkinsFan

I'm not discounting it, i'm just weighting it with a low percentage.
09-26-2007, 10:55 AM
minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

massimo- i think a good player wouldnt bet the flop 100% with one

Pleeease explain not-betting.

1. Is it because the flop is so dry and we want Ax and QJ type of hands to catch something and Kx hands to make 2pair?
2. How heavy does that weigh against the small-med pocket pairs that will call a flop bet, but will fold to a turn bet when another overcard falls?
3. How important is the K on the flop? What if it was an A or a T, does that make it a ?
09-26-2007, 11:55 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

massimo- i think a good player wouldnt bet the flop 100% with one

Then why do you still think he doesn't have one!?
09-26-2007, 12:55 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

massimo- i think a good player wouldnt bet the flop 100% with one

Then why do you still think he doesn't have one!?

because frewjifr;w4ei by good he means prob 5/10 reg.
09-26-2007, 07:54 PM
bair

i dont get why he cant have a king on hand 3, its not that thin
09-26-2007, 09:02 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by bair

i dont get why he cant have a king on hand 3, its not that thin

1. Not a lot of kings that cold call the pre, only KQ and KJ maybe KTs
2. with a king he may bet the flop, probably does.
3. his bet size doesnt seem like he's trying to get thin value.

K now for results.

Hand 1: He folded, I thought i made a really awesome read but i definetely should have fourbet pre. I guess calling is okay.

Hand 2: I bet 2/3rds pot but thought it was bad. Lol he shoved with QJ and i had to call given pot odds

Hand 3: I called he showed A3 ship it.