TPTK facing 4 bet shove on flop

no reads on jackpot really. is this a call or fold?

POKERSTARS GAME #12307429170: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/09/27 - 20:15:50 (ET)
Table 'Volans V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dudidudi ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 2: lest0w ($8.05 in chips)
Seat 3: will641 ($15.35 in chips)
Seat 4: jackpot_22 ($16.85 in chips)
Seat 6: CURTM ($8.95 in chips)
lest0w: posts small blind $0.05
will641: posts big blind $0.10
CireNehc: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to will641 [Kh As]
jackpot_22: calls $0.10
CURTM: folds
dudidudi: folds
lest0w: folds
will641: raises $0.40 to $0.50
jackpot_22: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [Kd 5h 2d]
will641: bets $0.80
jackpot_22: raises $1 to $1.80
will641: raises $3.20 to $5
jackpot_22: raises $11.35 to $16.35 and is all-in

Looks like a 22/55, I think he has you crushed.

Sorry but I can't fold TPTK with AK at these stakes so call.

I think you are way behind here. A limp UTG is 22 or 55 most of the time.

I call and see what he does on the turn. When people suddenly come alive down here it usually means something. No reason to blow $12 trying to protect a $4 pot when a new spewtard waits around the next corner.

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

Sorry but I can't fold TPTK with AK at these stakes so call.

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LOL ok, but to a 4bet on a fairly dry flop? MOst villains are too passive to 4-bet push a FD, so the limp/call pre is mostlikey to be a set 22/55 or some goofy two pair. 4-bet push means he has 1 pair beaten IMO

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Originally Posted by Swiggidy

I call and see what he does on the turn

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...Errr vilain is all in already.

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

Sorry but I can't fold TPTK with AK at these stakes so call.

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people at these stakes who can't fold TPTK fund my bankroll growth.

OP - easy fold.

the limp UTG is what makes me want to fold but still could be a donk with KQ,KJ, or nothing.

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Originally Posted by daven

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

Sorry but I can't fold TPTK with AK at these stakes so call.

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people at these stakes who can't fold TPTK fund my bankroll growth.

OP - easy fold.

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Oh. Good point.

This is not A10 on an 8910 board. This is AK on an A5d2d board. Therefore, at these stakes, we are most likely ahead. And PokerMuzz, if you're going to LOL at any advice that doesn't say fold, then don't post the hand.

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

. And PokerMuzz, if you're going to LOL at any advice that doesn't say fold, then don't post the hand.

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He didn't post the hand I did.

My mistake.

This opponent could have any king or the NFD. I still believe this is a call at $10NL.

I played lot of hands in NL10. 4bet usually means better hand than a pair of K(most of the players plays check/call with top pair after a 3 bet), with any kicker. I take him set or some 2 pairs.
FOLD it.

well, i ended up calling. i'm still not sure if it was the correct call, but he had Jd3d, and i took it down.

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Originally Posted by will641

well, i ended up calling. i'm still not sure if it was the correct call, but he had Jd3d, and i took it down.

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LOL. I thought he had 22/55/K2 and I would've made the mistake of folding.

i still think it's a fold.

I still think its a fold too. Sure against someone you have history for playing FDs fast this could be a call, equally against a nit its a fold. But with no reads at all I fold this

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Originally Posted by will641

well, i ended up calling. i'm still not sure if it was the correct call, but he had Jd3d, and i took it down.

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This makes me think its a call, because of all hands I really didn't expect him to show up with that.