deep stacked AA decision

villain is a thinking tagg, we have tustled a couple of times he 3betting my laggy range and whatnot, but not getting out of line in big pots. how do you guys play this. b/f turn?

Game #5784902294: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2007/10/05 - 12:46:31 (UK)
Table "Inthehole" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Ben100410 ($280.30 in chips)
Seat 2: spimau ($76.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Merdik ($170.56 in chips)
Seat 4: CrazyKitt ($342.50 in chips)
Seat 5: S1ickr1ck ($56.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Lapdog915 ($45.10 in chips)
Seat 7: mixmixmix ($99 in chips)
Seat 8: Falcon ($110.45 in chips)
Seat 9: KoTtEn ($96.05 in chips)
Seat 10: Santiago ($86 in chips)
mixmixmix: posts small blind $0.50
Falcon: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ben100410 [Ac Ad]
KoTtEn: folds
Santiago: calls $1
Ben100410: raises to $5
spimau: calls $5
Merdik: calls $5
CrazyKitt: calls $5
S1ickr1ck: folds
Lapdog915: folds
mixmixmix: folds
Falcon: folds
Santiago: calls $4
----- FLOP ----- [Td 4d 7s]
Santiago: checks
Ben100410: bets $15
spimau: folds
Merdik: calls $15
CrazyKitt: folds
Santiago: folds
----- TURN ----- [Td 4d 7s][7h]
Ben100410: checks
Merdik: bets $53
Ben100410: just folded

I don't know about the check fold here. The flop is multi-way, wouldn't a tagg raise a set on this flop given the FD out there?

I doubt he would call with a mid pair 7 on this flop, given the people yet to act behind him. So you're essentially folding to TT/44.

I think bet/fold is better than check/fold if anything.

He's either a good player who floated a seven against your "missed overs" (your flop bet sure was weak), or he played an overpair like crap, and succeeded.

He sure as hell didn't turn a boat.

Solution? Bet more on the flop to see who's serious about this hand (and then probably shutdown if someone complies).

Secondary: Raise more preflop if you can get four callers for that price. With pocket aces, you don't want four callers. Well, you do, but it's going to play a lot harder. I like easy.

As played, I'd fold. In reality, I might shove over in a moment of weakness.

i think c/f is pretty friggin weak

C/F is weak. In addition, he bets pot when you check to him and you have shown zero strength. What hand bets pot in this kind of hand other than one that wants you to fold? He has TJ, 99 or 88. You folded the best hand.

raise more on flop.
Bet-fold turn.
the check-fold line here offends me.

I also advocate c-betting harder so that we get more accurate info

And with 3 PF coldcallers behind does anyone like a flop check so that we can claim relative position?

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Originally Posted by bbqsquirrel

And with 3 PF coldcallers behind does anyone like a flop check so that we can claim relative position?

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no

flop was FINE.
i like a check call on the turn then a check call on the river.
i hate folding AA and this line also gets the max out of weaker hands.

Bad fold.
I like your line up to the fold, but I would c/r on turn

My thinking is that the op has AT or maybe JJ. He has called the flop because he is unsure of your strength. When you check turn, looks like you have missed and were just c-betting flop - now his hand looks a lot stronger to him and he throws in a large bet. Now you should come over top.

This should be enough to take hand down here and the op will be a bit more wary of trying to push you off pots when you act weak in subsequent hands (when you probably are weak and would like to see a cheap card).

im not worried about flop play

he's a thinking winning player and I have telegraphed an overpair on the flop which is the point. he's not tangling with anyone deepstacked without the goods. i only beat JJ.

a turn and river check call would mean i'm stacking off and I don't want to because he's not that stupid. this was really a question of how we all avoid telegraphing our high pair multiway OOP with the implied threat these stack sizes bring

edit this hand sucked stack sizes made it difficult. he may or may not have the initiative to push the river if i just check call turn and nothing i beat calls a check push turn, i think bet fold turn was the best option, c/r turn has some metagame value i guess