Three hands against Mr fish

Hand1.
No reads, but opp bought in short and isnt very good. Wants to play lots of pots but hasnt done anything. Because hes going to play a pot every time he's dealt an ace, folding anyway is absurd right?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($80)
CO ($471.88)
Hero ($229.65)
SB ($189.45)
BB ($299)
UTG ($351.37)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, MP checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7, 1 fold, MP folds.

Flop: ($20) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($40) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($80) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $120

Hand2.
Different opponent but same idea. hasnt raised much so i was wary to 3bet AJ, no problem with AQ+ etc. I hate my turn play but he has only one hand here right maybe a choice of two...?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($708.40)
Button ($269.55)
SB ($210.15)
Hero ($355.71)
UTG ($156.45)
MP ($100.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jc.gif.
4 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($16) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($16) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jd.gif (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $62, Hero calls $32.

River: ($140) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/4c.gif (2 players)
SB bets $58, Hero thinks...

hand3.
Same opponent as in two, not close in a blind battle right?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($663.40)
Button ($332.55)
SB ($80.35)
Hero ($222.25)
UTG ($157)
MP ($61.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif.
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9s.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $186, SB calls $60.35 (All-In).

Turn: ($160.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7d.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($160.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $160.70

Hands 1&2 i abhor your flop play. Why aren't you raising? especially hand 2, TPTK and giving any queen/pair/etc the free turn to improve?? what's your rationale?
Hand 2 as played I just call the river, $58 into $200.

Hand 3 I'm unsure about pre-flop. Post-flop fine. What is ahead of you here? AK, AA, KK, 99 all unlikely limps. What is behind? Ax, Kx, K9 - both quite likely limps.

I don't like any of these really. AJ is such a bad hand to get to showdown with.

on hand 1, I think getting past the flop with a J kicker on this board is bad, Raise and take it down or get the hell out. Your behid just about anything. What do you beat that keeps betting at it.

hand 2. Calling in the BB with AJ requires you to decide what you want from the hand. You hit TP and check behind. What can he possibly hold pre that requires you to now go to showdown. Either get it all in on the turn or fold to his 3 bet. Are you waiting to see if he hits his draw?

hand 3. fine. Best he should have is K9, or he slow played you if you've shown a lot of aggression towards him.

I think hand 1 is absolutely fine and it's the way I would play it, raising sucks cuz a bad players blows you out of the pot with a worse Ace by shoving and a good player only continues with hands that beat us.

Hand 2 I dont hate the flop check behind but meh, now you're in deep shit raising the turn. We beat 2 hands KJ/QJ but they're discounted b/c of the flop play so it's marginal, I'd like to have more hands in his range that we beat really to call.

Hand 3 is an easy raise PF, you really let ppl limp your blinds with A9o? Flop play is meh, I let him stick it in on the turn for us.

Hand 1 : I think flop play is 100% standard here (just calling). Let villain hang/valuetown himself and minimize lost vs. trips. If you have him outkicked, he's drawing dead to all but a split. You can value bet turn/river if checked to.

Hand 2 : I would usually bet the flop here (preflop is fine IMO) but checking is fine for pot control. Daven, note this is not a donkament and we don't need to 'protect' our hand or our chip stack. The pot isn't huge or anything and on that board we're not dying to get it in on the flop.

The turn is sick interesting and i have trouble putting him on a hand he checks the flop with (wouldn't you bet ANY strong hand here since that board hits so many combinations of hands). I have trouble folding against an agressive opponent. It's hard for him to put you on a jack as well since you checked the flop. I think he would/should shove the river with a boat so it's KQ or KJ/QJ. I think it's a call.

Hand 3 : He has to have k9 here a huge part of the time. nh

fwiw, against good players im folding the turn in hand 1 a lot. Against bad players im not. Wrong thinking?
Also, bad players c/r they dont lead, hence im still waaaaaay ahead of opps range on the turn but a third bullet oop is scary.
Also, ive stopped raising every flop because i just blow people out of the pot with second best hands.

In two, opp hasnt raised much so i am wary of being slow played etc Also, with the board im either way behind or ahead and opp isnt playing this unless its for stacks hence WHY i check the flop. I hate the turn call more than the river call fwiw, he doesnt have a bare Jx on the turn eithjer a straight or boat IMO. Hes a passive fish so he wouldnt 3bet me with AA he'd call and then call a river value bet by checking to me, hence i should fold river. thoughts?
My turn raise is bad in hindsight but i thought he'd chase a rubbish draw not then declare his hand as he did. i think the flop check after raising preflop by a non-thinking player tells its own story

In 3 im allowing people to limp into my blind because they play so horribly after the flop. I can play 20-30bbs pots all day and come ahead >70% the time because they call too much.

[quote="Trainer_jyms"]
on hand 1, . What do you beat that keeps betting at it. [quote]

Umm...we're only losing to a 9......We beat every other ace - rag that bad players (which was Miffed's read) play EXACTLY like this. If he has a 10 gg. I don't think I ever fold this turn/river in a million years vs this opponent. I expect to have the best hand about 3/4 of the time.

[QUOTE="Ravageur"][quote="Trainer_jyms"]
on hand 1, . What do you beat that keeps betting at it.

Quote:

---

Umm...we're only losing to a 9......We beat every other ace - rag that bad players (which was Miffed's read) play EXACTLY like this. If he has a 10 gg. I don't think I ever fold this turn/river in a million years vs this opponent. I expect to have the best hand about 3/4 of the time.

---

agreed, however with a rag ace i expect opp to bet 10-15 on turn not 20....

Hand 1. Perfect.

Hand 2. Turn raise 30? I hate this kind of wimpy play. Call river.

Hand 3. Why are you even posting this? :) Shove turn slightly better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daven

Hands 1&2 i abhor your flop play. Why aren't you raising? especially hand 2, TPTK and giving any queen/pair/etc the free turn to improve?? what's your rationale?
Hand 2 as played I just call the river, $58 into $200.

Hand 3 I'm unsure about pre-flop. Post-flop fine. What is ahead of you here? AK, AA, KK, 99 all unlikely limps. What is behind? Ax, Kx, K9 - both quite likely limps.

---

didnt really answer this. Im either wa/wb on flop IMO, and i think opp takes a stab at a blank turn anyway allowing me to blow him outta the pot no matter what he holds or making him put more money in oop with a dodgy draw.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

fwiw, against good players im folding the turn in hand 1 a lot. Against bad players im not. Wrong thinking?

---

Yes wrong thinking, after only calling flop you can't fold turn to 1/2 pot. Against good players you raise the flop.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

In two, opp hasnt raised much so i am wary of being slow played etc Also, with the board im either way behind or ahead and opp isnt playing this unless its for stacks hence WHY i check the flop. I hate the turn call more than the river call fwiw, he doesnt have a bare Jx on the turn eithjer a straight or boat IMO. Hes a passive fish so he wouldnt 3bet me with AA he'd call and then call a river value bet by checking to me, hence i should fold river. thoughts?

---

Fold??? FOLD????

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

In 3 im allowing people to limp into my blind because they play so horribly after the flop. I can play 20-30bbs pots all day and come ahead >70% the time because they call too much.

---

I don't mind checking behind. No point to make this a big pot with crap like A9o.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

fwiw, against good players im folding the turn in hand 1 a lot. Against bad players im not. Wrong thinking?

---

Yes wrong thinking, after only calling flop you can't fold turn to 1/2 pot. Against good players you raise the flop.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

In two, opp hasnt raised much so i am wary of being slow played etc Also, with the board im either way behind or ahead and opp isnt playing this unless its for stacks hence WHY i check the flop. I hate the turn call more than the river call fwiw, he doesnt have a bare Jx on the turn eithjer a straight or boat IMO. Hes a passive fish so he wouldnt 3bet me with AA he'd call and then call a river value bet by checking to me, hence i should fold river. thoughts?

---

Fold??? FOLD????

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

In 3 im allowing people to limp into my blind because they play so horribly after the flop. I can play 20-30bbs pots all day and come ahead >70% the time because they call too much.

---

I don't mind checking behind. No point to make this a big pot with crap like A9o.

---

1) Call down

2) Flop check is suspicious. After I checked flop I might just call down. As played I call. A raise won't fold out any winners. On the other hand besides KQ/full house this could be a misplayed KK/QQ.
My line would be bet flop and check turn.

3) nh. I agree with pocket4s -- no point bloating pot with A9o even in position

results for thos who want

In 1 opp has AT and runners a boat. Forgetting results, he'll go to showdown with this always so i like my line.

In 2 opp flopped the nuts. I called the river but wasnt happy. My turn play is crappy i think.

3 is a lolwtfadoodles. He had AK.