Tough spot facing check raised twice

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10-11-2007, 01:03 PM
pokerfan

Tough spot facing check raised twice

villian had stats 30.7/9.6 over 200 hands. This guy limped in some marginal cards in ep , not very aggressively postflop. I picked up AJs, raised in position and wanted to isolate him headsup.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($53.10)
UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($221.60)
Hero ($223.80)
MP3 ($216.75)
CO ($205)
Button ($73.15)
SB ($215.45)
BB ($262.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $5.

Flop: ($17) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $8, UTG+1 raises to $18, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($53) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $20, UTG+1 raises to $40, Hero calls $20.

River: ($133) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $75, Hero ???
10-16-2007, 03:44 AM
Turska

Fold

He got u with 55.
10-16-2007, 04:08 AM
f_cKINGrockstar

His line is REALLY strong... hard fold but I think you've got to.
10-16-2007, 04:29 AM
Renton

raise a little more preflop, bet more on the flop. I would have bet about 12-14 on the flop.

Your line is so terribly weak with these small bet sizes that i have no idea what you should do.

I think given your turn bet size i'd probably just 3bet him all in.

Do you always bet this small?
10-16-2007, 09:01 AM
Chopper

to villain,
I HATE MINRAISERS!! bet like a man, or resign to the fact you invited a suckout.

that said, i think you have to call, but no longer raise, unless the signs are more obvious at 200NL.
10-16-2007, 09:02 AM
martindcx1e

I would call the river because folding A-high flushes makes me cry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

I HATE MINRAISES.

bet like a man, or resign to the fact you invited a suckout.

Hero didn't minraise.
10-16-2007, 09:03 AM
Chopper

i fixed it. ;)
10-16-2007, 09:05 AM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

i fixed it. ;)

lol oh ok you were just sharing your hatred with us
10-16-2007, 09:21 AM
Chopper

i am, i just didnt mean for my first post to accuse the poster of being a "biotch minraiser." lol.

i hate it so much. its like they are begging for action, which they usually are. but, its also hard to resist because it often lays great odds.

WHATTTTYADOOOOOO? i know, fold.
10-16-2007, 09:31 AM
Chopper

however, not to derail the thread into a minraise-bitch thread.

as for OP's bet sizes, i think they are a bit soft, too.

the 3.5X RR was ok, imo, pf. but, after that they go soft.

lead flop to $12-$15. if you get raised, you prolly still get odds to call. as played (meaning i dont care to calculate what the new pot would become), i would lead turn to at least $40.

bet-sizing is such a key component to gaining stacks with monster hands. granted, you increase your variance, but i want to get as much in as possible when i have the best of it. and here, most times you do. if the board is not double paired, i think you need to run with this hand to the end. look at his range...KTs+, pp's, 68, 78, 89, 8T, A8 are all in there, and arent going anywhere. the only hands that would frustrate me to see would be 88, 55, TT.

betting less than half the pot is incredibly weak, imo. you need to either protect your hand or force value from the crap you may be stringing along, and the only way to do that is to bet stronger, imo.
10-16-2007, 09:52 AM
martindcx1e

ya you should bet at least 1/2 the pot pretty much always (except for blocking bet type stuff). anything less and you are getting close to actually making it correct for draws to call you.
10-16-2007, 10:09 AM
shortspacepoker

hmm im new here but doesnt seem like he has a boat here...and ur priced in to call arent you? don't raise but it seems like he either has a weaker flush or some dumb two-pair...i cant see him having u beat here but then agian i dont play as high stakes soo..
my 2cents =D
10-16-2007, 10:18 AM
martindcx1e

yes short he is priced in. i really don't see how you can do anything but call on the river.
10-17-2007, 10:04 AM
pokerfan

as i said , this guy limped in some weak cards but got rewarded this time.
i should've raised more preflop and punished him to death. Yeah, there's no way i folded on the river even if i was not happy at all though.
he showed 8dTd. :o what a punk!!!
10-17-2007, 07:19 PM
archangel95

I probably would of given up to flop reraise. We have a couple of overs with a flush draw on a paired board. I think paired boards make the value of a flush draw about 60% of what it is on a board that isn't paired.
10-17-2007, 07:28 PM
Fnord

At least $10 pre-flop, probably more like $12-$15. I don't get the desire to small ball this retard if you're going to get lost in hands like this.
10-17-2007, 09:44 PM
wufwugy

lolllllllll are we debating about whether or not to call? First read over and I didn't see the turn complete the flush, and I was contemplating a river top pair call.

With correct bet sizing, this is a felting hand on the turn.
10-18-2007, 12:09 AM
wufwugy

Oh, and folding flop is bad. We have position on a paired flop.
10-18-2007, 03:51 AM
Turska

I am uber-nit but I would consider folding fl draw
after flop. I hate paired boards when I stacks are deep...

T.
10-18-2007, 04:07 AM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turska

I am uber-nit but I would consider folding fl draw
after flop. I hate paired boards when I stacks are deep...

T.

agreed
10-18-2007, 08:12 AM
pokerfan

when people checkraise small twice on this flush paired board, more than likely they have some lock hand already??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turska

I am uber-nit but I would consider folding fl draw
after flop. I hate paired boards when I stacks are deep...

T.