Multi Tabling Diff Limits NLH

I play $.05/.10 and $.10/.25 at Absolute. Quad tabling is about right for me with PT, PAHUD and my bandwidth (both human and digital). One problem I have, though, is trying to play say 3 tables at $.05/.10 and a table at $.10/.25. The different units make pot odds calculations hard, and I often get flustered trying to play two critical hands at two different limits simultaneously. Often, I can't find 4 tables at a single level that meet my selection criteria.

Any suggestions? At the moment I select the 2 best games, at any level, and dual table until they aren't great any more, then search for more at a single level to try quads. Should I change my selection criteria to keep all the games at the same level? I don't want to alter my criteria much as I feel table selection is a big part of my win rate right now. But I just play my hands badly too often when I face simultaneous decisions on two tables with different betting units.

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Originally Posted by Robb

I play $.05/.10 and $.10/.25 at Absolute. Quad tabling is about right for me with PT, PAHUD and my bandwidth (both human and digital). One problem I have, though, is trying to play say 3 tables at $.05/.10 and a table at $.10/.25. The different units make pot odds calculations hard, and I often get flustered trying to play two critical hands at two different limits simultaneously. Often, I can't find 4 tables at a single level that meet my selection criteria.

Any suggestions? At the moment I select the 2 best games, at any level, and dual table until they aren't great any more, then search for more at a single level to try quads. Should I change my selection criteria to keep all the games at the same level? I don't want to alter my criteria much as I feel table selection is a big part of my win rate right now. But I just play my hands badly too often when I face simultaneous decisions on two tables with different betting units.

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well if it messes you up then don't do it. and wtf is your selection criteria? it sounds pretty crazy. you should be able to find fish at almost every $10nl and $25nl table at like every site.

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

and wtf is your selection criteria? it sounds pretty crazy. you should be able to find fish at almost every $10nl and $25nl table at like every site.

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Selection criteria is 50% + see the flop (6-max tables), with two known players, PT 100 hands or more. Absolute generally has about 20 - 25 tables at $.05/.10 at the times I play, about a third of which will be that loose.

Any suggestions for good ways to find fishy tables? Advice welcomed.

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Originally Posted by Robb

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

and wtf is your selection criteria? it sounds pretty crazy. you should be able to find fish at almost every $10nl and $25nl table at like every site.

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Selection criteria is 50% + see the flop (6-max tables), with two known players, PT 100 hands or more. Absolute generally has about 20 - 25 tables at $.05/.10 at the times I play, about a third of which will be that loose.

Any suggestions for good ways to find fishy tables? Advice welcomed.

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like i said almost every table at 10nl at every site should have fish. once you can handle it i highly recommend sitting at 4+ tables.

Robb,

you've found them already!! any table over a 40% vpip is full of fish. dont get too anal with you criteria. you wont ever find the table that will just open up their pockets and dump their money into yours.

once you have found consistent fish, its time to play some pokah. keep the loosies on your right and the tighties on your left.

and, dont look for people you only have 100+ hands on. they are all bad. just keep sitting with them indiscriminately, unless you find a true donator. then, you buddy him, but he has to really stand out at these limits because they all are pretty much donators.

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Originally Posted by Chopper

dont get too anal with you criteria. you wont ever find the table that will just open up their pockets and dump their money into yours.

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damn

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Originally Posted by Chopper

keep the loosies on your right and the tighties on your left. ... and, dont look for people you only have 100+ hands on. they are all bad.

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okay, i'm a bit confused by this advice - how do I know who's tight/loose without seeing some hands? Do you suggest rejoining the table after you've ID'd the loosies/tighties, to get better position on them? Do you play "out of position" with respect to loose/tight players for an hour until you can find a new seat at the table? Or do you look for a new table?

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Originally Posted by Chopper

just keep sitting with them indiscriminately, unless you find a true donator. then, you buddy him, but he has to really stand out at these limits because they all are pretty much donators.

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Originally Posted by Robb

okay, i'm a bit confused by this advice - how do I know who's tight/loose without seeing some hands? Do you suggest rejoining the table after you've ID'd the loosies/tighties, to get better position on them? Do you play "out of position" with respect to loose/tight players for an hour until you can find a new seat at the table? Or do you look for a new table?

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you don't know until you sit with them and see it or have previous PT stats on them. if you see a great seat open at your table then sure, go ahead and rejoin the table and pick up that seat. but really at these stakes you should be able to just sit down at the tables with highest flop % and highest pot sizes and take their money regardless of your position.

yeah, what he said.

if you dont have PT, just watch where the active players are coming from. if after a couple orbits they are immediately to your left, you may have a problem. start thinking about leaving teh table and finding another.

or, if the seat to their left suddenly opens up, i will gladly jump off the table and rejoin it as fast as i can...in that new seat.

I am not sure why the limit is affecting your ability to compute pot odds. The equation for pot odds is the same for any limit. It doesn't matter if its .10/.25 or 5/10. The pot divided by the bet will always be the same no matter what limit

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Originally Posted by Robb

One problem I have, though, is trying to play say 3 tables at $.05/.10 and a table at $.10/.25. The different units make pot odds calculations hard, and I often get flustered trying to play two critical hands at two different limits simultaneously.

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if it's causing you problems play all the same level.
Play three that fit your criteria and a fourth that almost does - you'll be fine. Rare that any of these tables will be good players only, if so leave and join another at random.

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Originally Posted by iplaythabored

I am not sure why the limit is affecting your ability to compute pot odds. The equation for pot odds is the same for any limit. It doesn't matter if its .10/.25 or 5/10. The pot divided by the bet will always be the same no matter what limit

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True. Maybe I have a bet-sizing issue. Glancing quickly just at the pot sizes, a $2 pot at .05/.10 is 20 BB. At a .10/.25, it's 8 BB. As I move back to that active table and plan my post flop play, I get confused initially on whether I'm playing a small pot at the higher limit vs. playing a big pot at the lower one. So my c-bet decisions are different, and the opponent's play might be different. Example, some fish makes a min-raise at .10/.25 vs. someone making a value bet at .05/.10 with a powerhouse hand. A $.50 raise means different things at the different limits, even with roughly the same pot sizes.

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Originally Posted by Robb

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Originally Posted by iplaythabored

I am not sure why the limit is affecting your ability to compute pot odds. The equation for pot odds is the same for any limit. It doesn't matter if its .10/.25 or 5/10. The pot divided by the bet will always be the same no matter what limit

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True. Maybe I have a bet-sizing issue. Glancing quickly just at the pot sizes, a $2 pot at .05/.10 is 20 BB. At a .10/.25, it's 8 BB. As I move back to that active table and plan my post flop play, I get confused initially on whether I'm playing a small pot at the higher limit vs. playing a big pot at the lower one. So my c-bet decisions are different, and the opponent's play might be different. Example, some fish makes a min-raise at .10/.25 vs. someone making a value bet at .05/.10 with a powerhouse hand. A $.50 raise means different things at the different limits, even with roughly the same pot sizes.

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why don't you just always put tables of a certain limit in a certain spot on your monitor?

If you don't mind me asking, Robb, what's your handle on Absolute? We've probably seen quite a bit of each other.

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

If you don't mind me asking, Robb, what's your handle on Absolute? We've probably seen quite a bit of each other.

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I play as "ArsenalRocks" everywhere I play. What's yours?

his is the same...lol. as is his avatar on AP. how bout dem apples, grny? not that its not obvious once someone sees you.

hey, robb,

try putting the higher tables on one side, and the lower on the other. if you "cascade" them instead of "tile" them, put the higher ones up in one corner...just keep them separated.

also, it helps me to look at the auto buttons at first glance, then look at the pot size. or, when the table pops up, i look at the very top where the level is shown in the border first. once you get in a habit of constantly checking the table limit, you wont get fooled that often.

I KNEW that avatar looked familiar! Thought maybe it was just from reading his posts.

Grny, I'll look for ya online. I play evenings between 9 - 11 PM EST.

O SNAP! My cover's blown! Who are you on AP then, Chopper? I only have 37 hands against Robb.

I would suggest that you both consider taking your money elsewhere. AP could be going down in flames. I've already cashed out.

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I would suggest that you both consider taking your money elsewhere. AP could be going down in flames. I've already cashed out.

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What happened? Why is Absolute in trouble?

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Originally Posted by Robb

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I would suggest that you both consider taking your money elsewhere. AP could be going down in flames. I've already cashed out.

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What happened? Why is Absolute in trouble?

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There's a thread about it in Online Poker Rooms on FTR, and a bunch on 2+2 in BBV. Someone had a "superuser" account that could see everyone's hole cards. Now it seems that somebody within the company was doing it and a bunch of people are pissed off. People are cashing out, and affiliates are taking down ads.