A-Ks 400NL

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10-23-2007, 05:11 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

A-Ks 400NL

Villain is a very loose LAG. He is multitabling 400NL. I have 3bet him several times before this hand. Once we took a flop, and i check/folded.

Turn card is super gay. What should i do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($434)
BB ($549.65)
UTG ($297)
MP ($377.20)
CO ($394)
Button ($578.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
3 folds, Button raises to $11, Hero raises to $44, 1 fold, Button calls $33.

Flop: ($92) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $56, Button calls $56.

Turn: ($204) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero...
10-23-2007, 05:14 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Wow super ewww spot.

Idk if i'd rather c/f, b/f, or bet/call.
10-23-2007, 05:31 PM
Dislexsik

i like betcalling more then the other
10-23-2007, 05:45 PM
EzDuzIt

edit actually kind of leaning towards b/c but not really sure
10-23-2007, 05:45 PM
gabe

shove it
10-23-2007, 09:01 PM
Genitruc

either crai or shove i think and usuallhy i d shove

he s probably looking to steal one from youthough so I think you might make more in this type of spot by goign for CRAI

and if u check and he shoves i d call
10-23-2007, 09:15 PM
|~|ypermegachi

even if he's loose i can't think of much that calls a 3bet and calls the cbet on this flop....do we ever get called by worse by shoving?
10-23-2007, 09:36 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

even if he's loose i can't think of much that calls a 3bet and calls the cbet on this flop....do we ever get called by worse by shoving?

Sometimes its just better to bet when we are unsure what to do and obviously can't find a fold anywhere.
10-24-2007, 12:56 AM
Genitruc

hyper lots of ppl who play "loose" and are kind of into metagame don't care too much about spewing a buy in

they're more interested in owning their opponents and not getting run over. villain described here seems like he's ripe to be in this mode so I'd probably never ever fold this hand in a million years even though it looks like our hand isn't a huge favourite based on action in the hand in a vacuum.
10-24-2007, 01:31 AM
benny999

good chance he's floating KQ/spades/etc. not sure if he'd stab with those, so id bet.

but stacks seem weird cuz of the flop bet...i woulda bet more there.
10-24-2007, 04:47 AM
TrAdam5

Guess I am in the minority here, but I like check-calling here alot (check-raise is ok too, depending on his bet size). If we bet/shove here, exactly one hand we beat even could consider calling, aj, and that probably folds. If he's floating here, give him a chance to bluff. Also, if he checks behind, you don' t really have to worry about giving free cards here since more cards help you than hurt (both k amd j look like positive cards). So then if he checks behind, you can bet like 120 on river or so (value), and probably safely fold to a shove if you are unimproved (since that would hardly ever seem like a bluff to me.

Betting seems like a "dark tunnel" play here, where you don't really know where you are, are a little scared of the board, don't know how to proceed in the hand but aren't ready to give it up yet, but just bet/shove becomes it seems like the most active thing to do. You should avoid making these kinds of bets.
10-24-2007, 06:25 AM
bode

make your flop bet more like $70 and bet the turn again hard. Pushing is too much of an overbet IMO.
10-24-2007, 06:32 AM
Renton

bet more flop, bet call turn
10-24-2007, 03:55 PM
sauce123

shove turn seems good here tho u can make a case for check/call and if it goes check/check check/call any nonspade river
10-24-2007, 06:51 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

shove turn seems good here tho u can make a case for check/call and if it goes check/check check/call any nonspade river

i took the second line (i won but he mucked).

but i can see K-Q/Xs-Xs/worse A-x hands calling a shove so i see the value in committing myself to the hand on the turn.