What the eff?

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11-09-2007, 02:43 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

What the eff?

Villain is 30/20/4 after 60 hands. Sadly i haven't seen any of his hands.

My image is standard TAGG, we have no history.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($194)
UTG ($209)
Hero ($199)
Button ($440.35)
SB ($259.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $6, 2 folds.

Flop: ($15) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($35) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $24, Button calls $24.

River: ($83) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $400.35 (All-In), Hero ??????????????????

Shove is essentially 2x the pot because of my stack size.
11-09-2007, 02:52 PM
wouterpoker

why are you raising this anyway pf? Iwould probably check/fold the turn. What is your reasoning for second barreling here? as played the river is an easy fold, he probably has the nuts here ( 9hQh?). I dont think 30/20 risk a whole stack on a river in a " small" pot
11-09-2007, 03:24 PM
martindcx1e

are you really thinking about calling this?
11-09-2007, 03:29 PM
Ash256

TT?
11-09-2007, 04:33 PM
noble007

Well I do think it does look very fishy,

1)A flopped straight or set would usually let you know by at least doing something by the turn and if it was one of these why not make a reasonable value bet instead of shoving river 2x pot whenyou've clearly showed weakness? That line doesnt make any sense...

2) I also dont see any drawing hands that are calling flop & or turn
- a big stretch for Q9h - & if it is why shove river?

3)TT is also unlikely as he's aggressive enough to 3bet pre or raise it on that flop

It just looks incredibly bluffy but I still couldn't call with A8
11-09-2007, 04:38 PM
Ash256

Oh yeah, 3bet pre, duhh..

I don't think he'd raise flop with it though, it's a nice spot to call down.

I think this is definitely a fold, you could easily have an overpair.
11-09-2007, 04:56 PM
gabe

bet -> fold river
11-09-2007, 05:10 PM
IowaSkinsFan

gabe betting seems too thin here, hate to say it.
11-09-2007, 05:12 PM
Da GOAT

yeah like Kate Moss thin
11-09-2007, 05:34 PM
gabe

ok since you guys disagree, put him on range

i say its something like 22 33 44 77 87 type stuff and 88 TT, sometimes flopped straight and sometimes a7
11-09-2007, 05:34 PM
gabe

cmon guys, we are betting AT and AJ and 99 on this river so we bet a8
11-09-2007, 06:08 PM
Genitruc

as played i think it s an ez fold

betting a missed draw here is oh so transparent on his part

maybe that s one level too deep though
11-09-2007, 06:16 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Yeah betting doesn't seem too thin here i agree with gabe. Although sometimes he's going to show up with better, but that's the definition of thin.
11-09-2007, 06:19 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

are you really thinking about calling this?

Overshoving the river shows tremendous strength imo. I just don't see how he has that strength, besides Q9 and 97, maybe 74.
11-09-2007, 06:26 PM
gabe

dont forget TT
11-09-2007, 06:38 PM
IowaSkinsFan

I mean if opp was me and you decided to call you'd be right to do so.
11-09-2007, 11:39 PM
nutsinho

I would easily bet this river for value. As played, call and lose to T7o.
11-10-2007, 01:32 AM
sauce123

c/r turn all in!
11-10-2007, 01:33 AM
sauce123

fuck thats too thin for 6max... prob check/call turn

as played lol fold river
11-10-2007, 02:14 AM
gabe

no suace you crazy

bet bet bet