Choppers hands...

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11-16-2007, 10:21 AM
Chopper

Choppers hands...

villain is running loose and aggressive. havent actually seen any bluffs, but figure hes capable as wide open as he is running. is this a bluff often enough for me to pay off? or is there just too much likelihood of a str8 and flush out, which would be perfect cards to bluff on given turn action? i know i should have 2 barreled this thing, but oop sucks.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($57.70)
MP ($34.30)
Hero ($28.90)
Button ($105)
SB ($11.25)
BB ($49)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qh.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/as.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($6.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2h.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($6.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero ??

these spots get a bit confusing to me...how do i figure my equity on the shove over? or is it just a "feel" thing. villain is known TAG, but he is short and usually re-buys to "top off."
- do i 3bet this? against shorty, i wanted to see flop.
- i also bet $3 to fold to shove, but i never can.....thats the problem. when i bet 3/4, and villain shoves over short...that cant be for FE, can it? that has to mean he likes it enough to felt it and get called.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($19.35)
MP ($57.15)
Button ($9.85)
SB ($33.50)
Hero ($20.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Button raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75, MP calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8c.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, MP folds, Button raises to $8.85, SB folds, Hero calls $5.85.

Turn: ($21.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5c.gif (2 players)

River: ($21.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9h.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $21.70

f i am calculating this right, i am getting better than 3:1 ($5 into $15). and, from the range i put him on, i am about a 60/40 dog, meaning i only need 3:2, right? so, its a good call, if my range is accurate?
11-16-2007, 11:15 AM
DeusExMachina

Hand 1: I think betting the turn would a good move here. Checking the turn and the river is going to draw a bet from the opponent. Your hand didnt really improve on the river since the Qs helps a large part of his range. The overbet on the end puzzles me a little, but i probably fold here. If I knew something about when he overbets it may change my mind, but as is its a fold.

Hand 2: I 3bet preflop here every time. I dont like how you donk bet the flop. I think crai is a little better play.
11-16-2007, 12:22 PM
Kagey

Hand 1
I think you need to raise the turn personally. If he's a solid TAG as you indicate then most of his range that hit the flop would be made up of draws. I'm assuming he's raising all sets and AK pre-flop. I'm also assuming he reraises with Ax on the flop. I don't like the idea of giving the free card, I bet 4 on the turn and c/f river.
11-16-2007, 12:32 PM
Rondavu

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

Hand 1: I think betting the turn would a good move here.

This is a results oriented response. Hero played the hand well, and needs to fold the river.
11-16-2007, 02:16 PM
mixchange

hand 1 is fine, just fold river. You aren't betting people out of such a drawy-broadwayish board...and often enough you are behind here I like checking the turn

as played, river is an easy fold, especially due to his "PLZ PAY" bet size

hand 2 - oop I don't necessarily like to 3bet 10s but in this situation I think its good with so many callers. It doesn't really matter considering how short button is, stacks around 40bb are built for this type of hand, we just end up calling here a lot because of the odds offered.

it also depends on what type of short stacker he is. Some are pushing a lot more than others, and very often on the flop its two unpaired overcards. If he's that type, flop is a snap call. But if he's been playing tight, it's probably a fold. Same thing if we 3bet pf, if he's been playing loose with unpaired high cards, we call a push, otherwise fold.

and top up your stack :)
11-16-2007, 02:26 PM
Chopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

Hand 1: I think betting the turn would a good move here.

This is a results oriented response. Hero played the hand well, and needs to avoid the donkey call on the river.

thanks for the "played hand well" part, but FYP anyways.
11-16-2007, 04:10 PM
EzDuzIt

i think i would b/f river in hand 1
hand 2 i would 3bet pf.
11-16-2007, 10:02 PM
Chopper

i think this has to be a good/easy laydown. this had to hammer his range harder than mine. all i am confident in is the straight draw....maybe.

villain is nit TAG. running like me...15/12/3. i havent seen him do squat, tho. but, i am extremely active for a 15/12, if thats possible.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($42.40)
MP ($27.40)
CO ($36.45)
Button ($14.62)
SB ($21.90)
BB ($12.83)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif.
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $11, CO calls $7.

Flop: ($22.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jh.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, CO raises to $25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $42.35

at his widest, this has to be JJ+, AK. but, if not, i'm still screwed by the two pair combinations. i hated dropping this one w/ KK, but there was just so much that beats me badly out there, right?
11-16-2007, 11:24 PM
thizzSantaCruz

If your range is correct then you are absolutely right. His raise shows some strength. I was in a situation like this earlier today and one of my friends that plays high stakes told me i need to bet and call a push, but if opponent is this nitty then i think your line is fine.
11-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Chopper

its 25NL, and hes running 15/12. no way this is 99, etc.
11-17-2007, 01:18 AM
Vi-Zer0Skill

Board: Qs Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.681% 27.47% 01.21% 4623 204.00 { KdKs }
Hand 1: 71.319% 70.11% 01.21% 11799 204.00 { AA, QQ-TT, AKs }

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also, if your opponent isn't a moron then you can definitely take 10-10/J-J out of his range, though Q-Q may be a stretch in this game.
11-17-2007, 04:00 PM
Chopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

Board: Qs Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.681% 27.47% 01.21% 4623 204.00 { KdKs }
Hand 1: 71.319% 70.11% 01.21% 11799 204.00 { AA, QQ-TT, AKs }

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also, if your opponent isn't a moron then you can definitely take 10-10/J-J out of his range, though Q-Q may be a stretch in this game.

yeah, QQ is in mine because of the idiots i see pushing less, but not in most other people's.

so, we are saying this laydown wasnt even good...it was instafold. cool.