100ptbb deeeeep 10/20 HU ACTION

Villain and I have a lot of history HU, most of it involves me being up about 20 buyins on him over 5kish hands or so. His HU stats are about 35/25, and he is a monster calling station post flop. He gets into these calling moods where he just tilts and starts calling multiple streets with Ace high, mid pair etc when there is no chance i'm bluffing. The dynamics of the match are incredibly important here. He was in one of his huge calling station moods but then sucked out on me, this hand happened pretty soon after that so he probably has calmed down a bit, but ranges will still be very wide here.

a large range of sixes is fairly possible here, along with Q8+, 77+, AA and assorted straight draws, and turn flush draws off floats. Its very hard to narrow his range too much here so thats why i struggled with this river. He isn't likely to bluff to a check, but he will bet some queens (and better hands ofc) on the river should i check. What it do FTR?

$10/$20 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($4448.00)
Hero ($5472.00)

Pre-flop: ($30, 2 players) Hero is BB :kd: :ks:
BTN raises to $60, Hero raises to $200, BTN calls $150

Flop: :4h: :qd: :6c: ($440, 2 players)
Hero bets $315, BTN calls $315

Turn: :8h: ($1070, 2 players)
Hero bets $755, BTN calls $755

River: :6d: ($2580, 2 players)
Hero ($4202)?

villain has 3100ish on river i think.

id bet $1600 and call a shove

u said hes calmed down so he might talk himself out of calling a shove where he might call a smaller bet. checking though is gross against the guy as described.

have you been 3 betting alot or does he put you on a pretty good hand here preflop ?

id bet/fold 1860

against a guy like this i think id need 12 to 1 or better to call a river shove if he in fact shoves over a big bet just cause turned hearts is the only possibility and that seems so unlikely.

theres really no rhyme or reason to this just i think betting over 2k looks scary and anything with a 9 in it seems psychologically intimidating.

as for strategy seems like a trivially easy vbet vs a range of queens underpairs and sixes

oh yea keep posting

I guess this is why I don't play NL cash.

I would think the only reason to check is to check/raise and there is absolutely no way I could bet/fold this river.

I think everything he's calling he's betting and I highly doubt he bluffs over a bet so I kind of like c/c. For various other reasons too.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I think everything he's calling he's betting

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did you read his post?

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I think everything he's calling he's betting and I highly doubt he bluffs over a bet so I kind of like c/c. For various other reasons too.

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r u crazy?

I actually think c/f is pretty standard here against solid opp, but with described dynamics I think sauce has got the right idea. Bet/fold 3/4 pot.

you should have made it $1k on the turn and then you could just pot the river.

stack size/ pot size isnt right for bet fold

In spots like this I put villain on a tighter range and trust my read, acting accordingly. It's your responsibility in a hard spot like this to not think too wide like...

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a large range of sixes is fairly possible here, along with Q8+, 77+, AA and assorted straight draws, and turn flush draws off floats

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There are too many decisions to go along with this range, and keeping it wide in my mind can punish value. Narrow it down and trust it according to your relationship historically and in this session. How you narrow it down is up to you.

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Originally Posted by gabe

stack size/ pot size isnt right for bet fold

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pot the river would be AI if he bet $1k on the turn.

So I guess I mean shove the river huh

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Originally Posted by gabe

stack size/ pot size isnt right for bet fold

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i dont think this is that important against this opponent- if u think it is then bet/call

bet 2/3 pot, call a shove

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Originally Posted by Rondavu

In spots like this I put villain on a tighter range and trust my read, acting accordingly. It's your responsibility in a hard spot like this to not think too wide like...

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a large range of sixes is fairly possible here, along with Q8+, 77+, AA and assorted straight draws, and turn flush draws off floats

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There are too many decisions to go along with this range, and keeping it wide in my mind can punish value. Narrow it down and trust it according to your relationship historically and in this session. How you narrow it down is up to you.

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That would be optimal, but this is his range. He is quite a bad player, and normally doesn't give me much trouble, but the whole issue of the hand is that betting puts me in an awkward spot when he shoves cause of his huge range but checking makes me miss out on certain value. I can narrow down his calling/shoving range to hands that beat me, all queens that he can have made it this far with, and i'd estimate about 30% of the time he will call off with something like tt when he has it.

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Originally Posted by sauce123

id bet/fold 1860

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seems like its this and not that close.

On a more nitpicky note, (and understandably its kinda difficult to plan these things out) optimal play would be to make it 220 pre, and size postflop bets to a bet bet shove motif.

the hand converter actually effed it up, i did make it 220 pf, however i agree with the bet sizing for post flop.

I think betting the river is completely clear, it's just a question of whether or not you should call a raise. Probably not.

haven t read any replies yet bmx but just wanna say plz keep posting we never hear from you and I seem to dig all of your posts (I remember one a while ago that went bet-bluff shove with K9high or some shit on flop w history vs some villain in particular).

I really don't know what to do here. For some reason I think betting small (like 1/3 pot or less) would be good to induce a raise.

But maybe that's because I just want an excuse to call a shove.

Bet 1550 then cry when he shoves.

i think bet/fold is pretty std here with the bet sizing sauce suggested

but if he the type who would overvalue a decent Q here (to the extent that he actually thinks he is slowplaying it on previous streets) then :cry:

Bmx what do weight his range as like how often does he have 57? Is he calling 3 bets pre very light or will he never show up with it?