This is why i hate checking flops...

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11-24-2007, 07:36 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

This is why i hate checking flops...

Maybe this decision is easier than i think. Villain is 45/16/2.6 over over 100 hands. I haven't seen him bluff yet, although i've been in a lot of pots with him in the last 20 hands and i think i took all of them down without showdown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($156.10)
BB ($346)
Hero ($433.40)
MP ($201.40)
CO ($403.80)
Button ($225.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, CO calls $14, 3 folds.

Flop: ($34) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($34) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24.

River: ($82) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $82, Hero
11-24-2007, 07:37 PM
euphoricism

looks like a good spot for a block bet?
11-24-2007, 07:41 PM
griffey24

I think I call here.. what can he have!? he's a donk.. so his calling range on the turn is so large, esp after you checked the flop. I can't see what strong hand would check flop.. flat call turn and then bet pot on river.

Maybe some weird rivered two pair, but I c/c anyhow agaainst someone running 45/16/2.6. Call and see JT hopefully.. or somethin like that.
11-24-2007, 08:03 PM
Alexos

I dont think he has a K, but these donks often get there with some backdoor str8 or flush and full pot river.

If there was a FD on flop and it missed on river I'd call for sure. Here I guess we do beat TJ but thats pretty much it.
11-24-2007, 08:18 PM
mixchange

I agree, checking flops when you have raised and hit something is bad... especially on a board with 2 broadway cards. ROI can be bad say if the ace hits and villain re-raises you... shitty spot

and with a loose player, he can hit 2p on turn or river and you'd have a hard time telling since he plays trash
11-24-2007, 08:18 PM
sauce123

lol folding
11-24-2007, 08:23 PM
IowaSkinsFan

lol at not betting river
and lol wtf could he have call. If he super slowrolled you w/e

I actually really like the flop check too.
11-24-2007, 08:55 PM
sauce123

y would we bet river?
11-24-2007, 09:34 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

y would we bet river?

You don't think it has value?
11-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

y would we bet river?

You don't think it has value?

i think hes saying let him bet because we are always calling.
11-24-2007, 10:04 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

y would we bet river?

You don't think it has value?

i think hes saying let him bet because we are always calling.

Because bad opps always vbet thinly???
11-24-2007, 10:15 PM
Ash256

Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

looks like a good spot for a value bet?

FYP..

maybe?
11-24-2007, 10:37 PM
euphoricism

I think theyre about one in the same
11-24-2007, 10:49 PM
sauce123

bad opponents dont raise bluff
11-24-2007, 11:59 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

bad opponents dont raise bluff

When were we talking about him raising?
11-25-2007, 12:15 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

bad opponents dont raise bluff

When were we talking about him raising?

when you checked flop
11-25-2007, 12:21 AM
Genitruc

call with a snap
11-25-2007, 02:22 AM
gabe

any reason for flop check
11-25-2007, 03:02 AM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

any reason for flop check

1. board thats unlikely for our opponent to draw out.
2. increased likely hood of two streets of value
3. increasing opps bluffing frequency

idk those were my reasons why i liked it, but i guess versus better opponents it makes no sense (which can be a good thing if we are bluffing here)
11-25-2007, 10:55 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

any reason for flop check

Not a very well thought out one. I just kinda felt like it since i thought that hands like 66-TT, 5x wouldn't call a flop cont bet but would call a turn bet if i checked the flop. + there's no scare cards.
11-26-2007, 01:56 AM
will641

just out of curiosity, what do you do if he leads flop??
11-26-2007, 04:16 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

he can't lead the flop he's in position... i'm guessing you mean if he bets. I call and revaluate the turn, probably folding to good sized bet.