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Posted this in my operation but not sure how read it is so thought I'd repst here with a question about it.
The pokerEV graph is from my session last night where I dropped about 60bb's and it felt like I was just getting sucked out on constantly. I ran the graph to test that but then I remembered I can't actually work out what they mean, so does this one show massive sucking outs or massive spew from my end?
http://images.gen-xxx.com/albums/use...1-28--4-44.jpg
Im pretty sure that means you should have won 20 something bucks according to your odds, but you got sucked out or didnt hit your draws and ended up losing 63 or whatever.
I was messing aorund with these graphs the other day too trying to understand what they mean, and i took it that sklansky bucks is the share of the pot you should have won according to your odds, and then obviously total winnings is what you did win, and showdown winnings are from when you went to showdown.
That was either the most obvious and useless explaination or hopefully somewhat helpful.
I don't really know much about this program, but I think finding leaks in your session isn't as easy as calculating sklansky/EV showdown winnings compared to your actual showdown winnings. I also don't see how it can show the difference between you spewing or you getting sucked out on :S
The problem could easily lie in losing small pots where you didn't get to showdown. Or perhaps semi-bluffs that got called and didn't get there. Who knows. I usually just look through my PT database for hands in positions that I did extra poorly in that session (usually the blinds).
I'm pretty sure that graph suggests that you should have been around $25 better off at the end of the session - ie, you should have lost closer to 35BBs instead of 60.
The green line being so far below the blue line could suggest all sorts of things - it could be that you are folding to many rivers in big pots, missing draws after jamming the flop, going to the river too much with marginal holdings and then folding.
These EV graphs are useless IMO apart from helping people bitch and whine about how bad they run.
Looking over my database I think this is pretty much it. A lot of draws didn't get there, draws that did often ended up being second best at the river (eg turn straigh the river boat, turn set they river straight, etc) but also I was calling down really light against guys that were like 70/0 or 50/10 and finding my middle pair behind there tpnk or a lower pair that rivered 2p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibalob
It apperas to basically have been a combination of getting sucked out on, draws not getting there and spew so I'd say an average night that things just didn't go my way often enough and made it seem worse than it was.
post this in NL. those guys seem to love these types of graphs. if nothing else, you call their bluffs that none of them know what the hell this means, either. they just profess that they do. lol.